Timing of "Kindred Spirits" under "The Rising"

Ohlmann wrote:

Kude wrote:

I hope this helped anyone who wasn't sure about this by now. It is pretty clear. Resolve things card at a time.

It's the current way it work. It's also a confusing mess, because things work differently with the same formulation, which is supposedly why Pascal work to see if a less confusing ruling is possible.

And unlike what you explain, not alway all of a action card is resolved before either effect happen : they can have delayed effect which happen well after the action resolution. And the current text use an ambiguous formulation.

I dunno. It's clear enough for me.

Template suggestion: if something is supposed to resolve after the action resolution then say it. Don't use "when" or "if". Use "after". Even if that is not deemed big enough to warrant an errata on cards (although I don't see why since it is a constant rule wording change), the edge rule can be corrected at least.

With his current ability, the unnamed doesn't have action that gives pool if you bleed successfually (like kindred spirits) but he has action modifier -like ability that kicks in after the action is resolved (like forced march).

Nono, after the action is resolved *succesfully*. Which means, it needs to be a succesfull bleed, which means you get the edge for it. Exactly as with Kindred Spirits. Except KS apparently KS checks if you have the edge before the action is succesfully completed, and the Unnamed checks it afterwards.

An action card that says "Bleed at +1 bleed" and an action modifier that says "+1 bleed" use "identical wording" but are nonetheless not identical in function.

Yes, that's because one is an action and the other is an action modifier. Your point?

Molloy wrote:

An action card that says "Bleed at +1 bleed" and an action modifier that says "+1 bleed" use "identical wording" but are nonetheless not identical in function.

By the way, I realize your example is wrong, since the +1 bleed from a computer hacking and the +1 bleed from a sup' command of the beast behave in the exact same fashion ; the card themselves behave differently because of the rest of their text.

The unnamed / KS difference is based on a non-written difference between the two. That's the problem.

I really agree with Izaak.

It does not make sense to have different rulings for this 2 cards.

Izaak wrote:

With his current ability, the unnamed doesn't have action that gives pool if you bleed successfually (like kindred spirits) but he has action modifier -like ability that kicks in after the action is resolved (like forced march).

Nono, after the action is resolved *succesfully*. Which means, it needs to be a succesfull bleed, which means you get the edge for it. Exactly as with Kindred Spirits. Except KS apparently KS checks if you have the edge before the action is succesfully completed, and the Unnamed checks it afterwards.

An action card that says "Bleed at +1 bleed" and an action modifier that says "+1 bleed" use "identical wording" but are nonetheless not identical in function.

Yes, that's because one is an action and the other is an action modifier. Your point?

Kindred Spirits is an action card. The Unnamed is a crypt card. Hello?