Window After a Blood hunt?
29 Jan 2012 22:05 #22037
by Malcolm Sprye
That's where the ruling loses me.
To use a concrete (but silly) example:
It's like someone sells you a loofa. It says " for use in the shower" on the package. You go and visit your friend Mike for the weekend, and bring your bath supplies along. As you step into the shower, the loofa self-destructs. When you call the manufacturer, they explain "We didn't say it was usable in Mike's shower..."
Replied by Malcolm Sprye on topic Re: Window After a Blood hunt?
Yes, it is clear why Lay Low invokes the golden rule. What is unclear is why Reform Body doe NOT. Vampires being burned can't normally play cards, and reform body invokes the golden rule for that. So why does that golden rule invocation not extend to a subset of that set of "vampires being burned"?because it is "only playable when a blood hunt referendum passes" and the rule book says "Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence."
and for the same reason that Wake is playable by tapped vampires
That's where the ruling loses me.
To use a concrete (but silly) example:
It's like someone sells you a loofa. It says " for use in the shower" on the package. You go and visit your friend Mike for the weekend, and bring your bath supplies along. As you step into the shower, the loofa self-destructs. When you call the manufacturer, they explain "We didn't say it was usable in Mike's shower..."
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30 Jan 2012 11:11 #22058
by jamesatzephyr
The only way that Lay Low can be played is - by its card text - to contradict the rules on action modifiers and Blood Hunts. All other rules are unaffected - a vampire who was banned from playing action modifiers would still be banned from playing it, a vampire who cannot meet the cost (1 blood) cannot play it, a vampire must still meet the requirements (Anarch), and so on. Its card text necessitates 'overturning' one rule, so that rule is overturned by the Golden Rule, so far as is necessary to enable its play.
Reform Body can be played in response to being burned (about to be burned). In so far as it is necessary to overturn any rules to facilitate this, you overturn that specific rule. You then play it in line with all other rules. A vampire being burned can't play reaction cards, so we overturn that. But cards cannot be played in a blood hunt, as normal, and nothing on the card text necessitates that - the card is playable in a range of other circumstances (so the card doesn't impliedly require it), and the card doesn't say anything that points to overturning that rule.
Similarly, Army of Apparitions (gain 3 votes) says it is "Usable a tapped vampire." Why can it not be used by a tapped vampire during a blood hunt? Because it overturns one rule (tappedness), but says nothing about the other (reactions during blood hunts). So it is with Reform Body.
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Window After a Blood hunt?
Yes, it is clear why Lay Low invokes the golden rule. What is unclear is why Reform Body doe NOT.
The only way that Lay Low can be played is - by its card text - to contradict the rules on action modifiers and Blood Hunts. All other rules are unaffected - a vampire who was banned from playing action modifiers would still be banned from playing it, a vampire who cannot meet the cost (1 blood) cannot play it, a vampire must still meet the requirements (Anarch), and so on. Its card text necessitates 'overturning' one rule, so that rule is overturned by the Golden Rule, so far as is necessary to enable its play.
Reform Body can be played in response to being burned (about to be burned). In so far as it is necessary to overturn any rules to facilitate this, you overturn that specific rule. You then play it in line with all other rules. A vampire being burned can't play reaction cards, so we overturn that. But cards cannot be played in a blood hunt, as normal, and nothing on the card text necessitates that - the card is playable in a range of other circumstances (so the card doesn't impliedly require it), and the card doesn't say anything that points to overturning that rule.
Similarly, Army of Apparitions (gain 3 votes) says it is "Usable a tapped vampire." Why can it not be used by a tapped vampire during a blood hunt? Because it overturns one rule (tappedness), but says nothing about the other (reactions during blood hunts). So it is with Reform Body.
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