Extrala is wrong (Did you know, that ... (Part 91))

Seems like Outside the Hourglass situation is super complicated. Could somebody answer to these to make it clear:

When I can play Disarm/Pulled Fangs? There are minion A and B. All discplines uses superior version.

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Majesty (A) close range?

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Majesty (A) long range?

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Selective Silence long (B) + Majesty (A) long range?

Selective Silence long (B) + Outside the Hourglass (A) + Majesty (A) long range?

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Thrown Gate (B) long range?

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Aid from Bats (B) long range?

For some reason, I was looking at this post when writing my post: vekn.net/index.php/forum/6-rules-questions/15687-old-ruling-on-outside-the-hourglass-range#15698

What I hadn't notice is that Pascal didn't respond to the statements of IslandOfYiaros, and I didn't read LSJs post Ankha refers to closely enough.

But the question still stands (although I think Ankha is right here), can Disarm be played after Outside the Hourglass have been played and range has been determined to be set to long?

With LSJ's answer, it is rather easy

Surreal wrote:

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Majesty (A) close range?

Range is close -> yes.

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Majesty (A) long range?

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Selective Silence long (B) + Majesty (A) long range?

Selective Silence long (B) + Outside the Hourglass (A) + Majesty (A) long range?

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Thrown Gate (B) long range?

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Aid from Bats (B) long range?

Range is long -> no.

It does not matter how or when the range was set. Selective Silence could allow you to go to long range to avoid being disarmed after a Alpha Glint, though. Yeah 4 discipline + older condition combo

Ok, one more

Outside the Hourglass (A) + Selective Silence long (B) + Alpha Glint (A)

I'll skip pithy comments and jump straight to this.

LSJ reversed course from the excerpt being used as the basis for this argument. Please see below.

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> > > What if the opposing minion B is not sent to torpor and someone sets
> > > the round to long afterward?
> > > Can A play Pulled Fangs since A dealt more damage at close range
> > > (before range was determined)?
> > No.
> > > Or are the damage from Outside the Hourglass considered to be dealt at
> > > long range?
> > Sure.
>
> If minion B would've had an Improvised Flamethrower equipped, would xe
> take 2 aggravated damage as soon as the range was set to long in the
> above case?
>
No.
(Making the "sure" above an "I guess not -- but the point is that the
range is long")

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"I guess not" sure seems to imply that the OtH damage is accumulated from the range at which it was played (close, unless a set range card determined range before the OtH was played).

I'll skip all the cases in which it might follow (or not follow) that OtH and Disarm might (might not) work. I will point out, however, that Disarm does NOT include the text "only playable at close range" - it only checks for damage totals accumulated at close. This likely leads to a thematic/intent conflict with our typical "card text" rules definitions.

D.