Extrala is wrong (Did you know, that ... (Part 91))
15 May 2012 04:30 - 15 May 2012 04:32 #30381
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Extrala is wrong (Did you know, that ... (Part 91))
EDIT: I didn't see the latest post above.
But if you play it the other way round: Selective Silence long (A) + Outside the Hourglass (B) then the ImpF will "explode".
Because it's not retroactive. As LSJ stated:
Range has been set to long, therefore the damage of Outside the Hourglass are considered to have been dealt at long range (making Disarm/Pulled Fangs not playable).Ok, one more
Outside the Hourglass (A) + Selective Silence long (B) + Alpha Glint (A)
I just then don't understand how minion with Improvised Flamethrower can't take 2 aggravated damage from Outside the Hourglass.
ImpF doesn't go back and check all previously-inflicted damage,
correct.
It looks at damage as it occurs.
But if you play it the other way round: Selective Silence long (A) + Outside the Hourglass (B) then the ImpF will "explode".
Last edit: 15 May 2012 04:32 by Ankha.
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15 May 2012 07:16 #30401
by Reyda
Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
Replied by Reyda on topic Re: Extrala is wrong (Did you know, that ... (Part 91))
More ammo against Outside the hourglass, badly tested and written card...
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15 May 2012 07:34 #30402
by Ankha
You can't blame a card that does something never done before for "breaking" the rules, because it's precisely what they're meant to (thus the Golden Rule).
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Extrala is wrong (Did you know, that ... (Part 91))
How can you assert that?More ammo against Outside the hourglass, badly tested
The text is crystal clear. The rules are more a culprit.and written card...
You can't blame a card that does something never done before for "breaking" the rules, because it's precisely what they're meant to (thus the Golden Rule).
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15 May 2012 08:02 - 15 May 2012 08:06 #30404
by Reyda
Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
Replied by Reyda on topic Re: Extrala is wrong (Did you know, that ... (Part 91))
Nope, the text is not so clear regarding the rules of this game.
the "inflict 2 damage" part had to be interpreted as "this vampire inflicts". Many people thought it was environmental damage at first glance.
Don't forget that this card had to be clarified the first week it went on the market...
Cards can break the rules, no problem with that, but it should be easy to understand its interactions with other cards -go ahead and tell me disarm is not a common occurence in combat...
The very creation of a step where "range is not yet known but ..." is the perfect example of the failure of wording this card properly.
the "inflict 2 damage" part had to be interpreted as "this vampire inflicts". Many people thought it was environmental damage at first glance.
Don't forget that this card had to be clarified the first week it went on the market...
Cards can break the rules, no problem with that, but it should be easy to understand its interactions with other cards -go ahead and tell me disarm is not a common occurence in combat...
The very creation of a step where "range is not yet known but ..." is the perfect example of the failure of wording this card properly.
Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
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15 May 2012 08:44 #30410
by Ohlmann
Oh, yes, because nothing happen before range. I will remeber that the next time I tore a signpost.
I don't know for you, but Outside the hourglass was worded exactly like a regular strike, while environmental card was not. Outside the hourglass is ... crystal clear, it's more a case of Disarm being here from day one and alway having a strange wording.
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The very creation of a step where "range is not yet known but ..." is the perfect example of the failure of wording this card properly.
Oh, yes, because nothing happen before range. I will remeber that the next time I tore a signpost.
I don't know for you, but Outside the hourglass was worded exactly like a regular strike, while environmental card was not. Outside the hourglass is ... crystal clear, it's more a case of Disarm being here from day one and alway having a strange wording.
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15 May 2012 08:52 #30411
by Surreal
Replied by Surreal on topic Re: Extrala is wrong (Did you know, that ... (Part 91))
There hasn't be any hard questions about Disarm before Outside the Hourglass. Problem is the rules. Adding this to rules would do a lot: Combat doesn't have a range until Determine Range part is over (or skipped). Any damage done before this is considered to done without range.
Or you could change Disarm and Pulled Fangs to work only close range.
Or you could change Disarm and Pulled Fangs to work only close range.
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