Extrala is wrong (Did you know, that ... (Part 91))

Pascal wrote:

One case remains obscure - Fear of the void below + Outside the hourglass + Maneuver to close range + Majesty + Disarm.

I'll issue a ruling by the end of the week - LSJ's rulings seem to indicate Disarm is only usable at close range, and that's where I think the cheapest / best fix would be

The way I've interpreted it is that a) range doesn't exist before the determine range step, b) damage from Outside the Hourglass isn't done at close or long range and c) Disarm is playable when sufficient damage has been inflicted and the range has been close this round, whether the damage was inflicted at long, close or no range. This is probably wrong but it seems to make the most sense without errata.

Here's a quick list of the rulings:
OtH stands for Outside the Hourglass
Unless written, no other cards are played. Cards are played in the order they are written (from left to right)

- OtH + Majesty + Disarm => Valid.
- OtH + Maneuver to long + Majesty Disarm => Not valid.
- OtH + Alpha Glint + Disram => Valid.
- OtH + Selective Silence + Disarm => Not valid.
- Selective Silence + OtH + Disarm => Not valid.
- OtH + Fear of the Void Below + Majesty + Disarm => Valid.
- Fear of the Void Below + OtH + Majesty + Disarm => Not valid
- OtH when opposing has a Improvised Flamethrower + Maneveur/set range to long => Improvised Flamethrower does not explode.

Basically, Disarm isn't playable at long range (all the Disarm points), and damage is resolved when it is inflicted - we don't retro-check it (last point).

I'm under the impression that slightly changing Disarm from this:

Only usable at the end of a round of combat in which this vampire successfully inflicted more damage at close range than the opposing vampire.

to this:

Only usable at close range at the end of a round of combat in which this vampire successfully inflicted more damage than the opposing vampire.

would be enough. Pulled Fangs would follow the same pattern.

Just a question : Would it not be easier, for simplicity sake, to just say that damage from OtH is environmental damage (like carrion crows), and be done with the whole complications?

Pendargon wrote:

Just a question : Would it not be easier, for simplicity sake, to just say that damage from OtH is environmental damage (like carrion crows), and be done with the whole complications?

It may be easier, but it would lower the interest of the card, which is being uncommon like a lot of temporis card.

Can you tell me why the first two are *not* valid in comparison of the third?

- OtH + Maneuver to long + Majesty Disarm => Not valid.
- OtH + Selective Silence + Disarm => Not valid.
- OtH + Fear of the Void Below + Majesty + Disarm => Valid.