Seraph's Second

For confirmation: Seraph's Second can be played by a tapped Seraph after another non-Seraph Black Hand acted, right? Similar to Cloak the Gathering playable by a tapped vampire.

Name: Seraph's Second
[SoC:R]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Requires a ready Seraph. Only usable when a non-Seraph Black Hand vampire is acting, after resolution.
Untap the acting Black Hand vampire. A Seraph may play only one Seraph's Second each turn.
Artist: Jeremy McHugh

extrala wrote:

For confirmation: Seraph's Second can be played by a tapped Seraph after another non-Seraph Black Hand acted, right? Similar to Cloak the Gathering playable by a tapped vampire.

Yes. It doesn't require an untapped Seraph, just a Seraph (controlled by the acting Methuselah, of course).

Pascal wrote:

extrala wrote:

For confirmation: Seraph's Second can be played by a tapped Seraph after another non-Seraph Black Hand acted, right? Similar to Cloak the Gathering playable by a tapped vampire.

Yes. It doesn't require an untapped Seraph, just a Seraph (controlled by the acting Methuselah, of course).

Eleimelech just got better in my deck building concepts.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Eleimelech just got better in my deck building concepts.

Elimelech was always good. He has All the other disciplines, Black Hand Seraph, +1 strength and first strike are just distractions.

If you're working the Black Hand angle, Tattoo Signal and Watchtower: Four Ride Forth are both better than Seraph's Second - because they are persistent. I'll admit a couple of "Freak Others" doesn't hurt.

The biggest problem with the Black Hand approach is developing a crypt to run with him. Sennadurek, Kestrell and Nicomedes are all interesting G4/G5 sidekicks. Cermen fits in a small subset of decks.

There are a variety of library options for that mix of vampires - the biggest problems are growth speed, pool management and blood hemorrhaging. With a little work, there are good decks in there though.

TryDeflectingThisGrapple wrote:

Elimelech was always good. He has All the other disciplines, Black Hand Seraph, +1 strength and first strike are just distractions.

The good term for him would more be "crappy". Not because he inherently have bad disciplines ; but he's way too big for what he do in practice. He is not titled, have not enough combat discipline to use correctly his special, and have only +1 bleed.

Blackhorse tanner will in most case be better once in play, which is very sad considering he is 7-cap and Elimelech 11-cap

TryDeflectingThisGrapple wrote:

The biggest problem with the Black Hand approach is developing a crypt to run with him. Sennadurek, Kestrell and Nicomedes are all interesting G4/G5 sidekicks. Cermen fits in a small subset of decks.

Well, there is a lot of black hand weenie on 4/5. But they perform better without him in fact.

Not sure why all the questions on Action Modifiers as nothing in the rules say you must be untapped to use them.

Yes. It doesn't require an untapped Seraph, just a Seraph (controlled by the acting Methuselah, of course).

Although to make an argument, what stops any Seraph from playing the card? Card text overrides rulebook and nothing on the card says it must be played by a Seraph controlled by the same Methuselah as the acting minion.

Precedent:

Cloak the Gathering
[OBF] Only usable by a ready vampire other than the acting minion you control.

Hidden Lurker
Only usable by a ready untapped vampire other than the acting minion. Only usable after a combat between the acting minion you control and a blocking minion.

Blanket of Night
[OBT] Only usable by a vampire other than the acting minion when a minion attempts to block an acting minion you control.

Empowering the Puppet King
Only usable by a ready untapped vampire other than the acting minion you control.

If the intent of Seraph's Second is for only the acting Methuselah to be able to play it then we should consider a wording change to make it consistent with other Action Modifiers with a similar requirement.

Requires a ready Seraph. Only usable when a non-Seraph Black Hand vampire you control is acting, after resolution.