Dance Macabre requirements

Hakuron wrote:

Finally, we have some new cards, some players are playing V:tES more enthusiastically again – and then a tournament organiser or judge should be forced to punish a player who maybe is just lazy?

The whole "color" aspect is antithetical to trying to get the VEKN proxy cards accepted anyway. Silly VEKN, shooting itself in the foot again.

Jeff wrote:

The whole "color" aspect is antithetical to trying to get the VEKN proxy cards accepted anyway. Silly VEKN, shooting itself in the foot again.

Oh...really? Great wisdom Mr. Jeff, as always.

Hakuron wrote:

How about starting with some kind of warning/caution first that has to be reported in the Archon file, so a player has a chance to "improve" his cards until the next tournament? So punishment is only enforced if the same player is using inferior prints again? Maybe until April or July, as a period of transition?

Or, if you're the tournament organizer, be one of the good guys and bring some extra color printouts of the Danse Macabre cards.

Jeff wrote:

Hakuron wrote:

Finally, we have some new cards, some players are playing V:tES more enthusiastically again – and then a tournament organiser or judge should be forced to punish a player who maybe is just lazy?

The whole "color" aspect is antithetical to trying to get the VEKN proxy cards accepted anyway. Silly VEKN, shooting itself in the foot again.

This from the people trying to get cards accepted into the game by:

- printing them with an email address on them, not a picture, ignoring the fact that that makes them nigh-on impossible to identify cross-table. See the initial playtest of V:TES, for example, where cards were printed with clip-art to avoid this. But paying attention to, you know, actual game-play problems is apparently not something PCK cares about, what with re-introducing seat switchers. It's like PCK systematically ignored everything anyone had ever learned about V:TES ever.

- sending cease-and-desist letters to people to stop them being accepted. Literally no-one can ever accept your cards, because we know that if people are mean to you, you send them legal threats.


Silly PCK!

D-dennis wrote:

I thought there was a precedent for such judging (a jduge allowing a KMW reprint as proxy KMW was not yet legal for play), but I don't find the reference for that.

You were expecting to find precedent for judges being allowed to selectively enforce the tournament rules?

Quick, do a straw-poll of the players at your tournament and you can unban Madness of the Bard! Totes legit!

D-dennis wrote:

In our case, judgment was based on

... not reading the tournament rules?

jamesatzephyr wrote:

D-dennis wrote:

I thought there was a precedent for such judging (a jduge allowing a KMW reprint as proxy KMW was not yet legal for play), but I don't find the reference for that.

You were expecting to find precedent for judges being allowed to selectively enforce the tournament rules?

Quick, do a straw-poll of the players at your tournament and you can unban Madness of the Bard! Totes legit!

That was not the case here. It was a simple problem that was solved by a simple solution.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

D-dennis wrote:

In our case, judgment was based on

... not reading the tournament rules?

This is the only guideline I found for this matter

How to use Danse Macabre cards in a V:EKN sanctioned tournament

When using Danse Macabre cards they must be color printed on standard paper and inserted into opaque sleeves before another Vampire: The Eternal Struggle or Jyhad card, this requires opaque sleeves for the whole crypt and/or library.

3 out of 4 requirements were met (standard paper, opaque sleeves, before anoteher vtes card). The judge applied an appropriate penalty from the Judges' guide. In this case: 103. Deck Problem - Illegal Main Deck (No Decklist Used)
The penalty of game loss was not applied because the issue was announced by the player before the start of the first round (even before seating was known).

Also: no puppies were harmed at this tournament.