Rules Team Rulings - RTR 07/07/2016
11 Jul 2016 12:04 - 11 Jul 2016 12:04 #77343
by Rémi
Hey,
Please do not misunderstand me, it is not a rebel joke of mine.
I am just wondering why the rules still ask players to have genuine cards during events that allow full proxies decks. I undestand that this part of the rules did make sense when the only allowed proxies cards were the VEKN pdf sets.
If someone does not have any cards, he can print proxies but he cannot go to an event that allows proxies.
If nobody thinks this could be simplify, please just forget my two posts and have a good day
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Rémi.
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Replied by Rémi on topic Rules Team Rulings - RTR 07/07/2016
What is the reason not to follow the rules? It can't be a cost problem, for 100 junk vtes cards are worth almost nothing
Hey,
Please do not misunderstand me, it is not a rebel joke of mine.
I am just wondering why the rules still ask players to have genuine cards during events that allow full proxies decks. I undestand that this part of the rules did make sense when the only allowed proxies cards were the VEKN pdf sets.
If someone does not have any cards, he can print proxies but he cannot go to an event that allows proxies.
If nobody thinks this could be simplify, please just forget my two posts and have a good day
Warm regards,
Rémi.
I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (SPAIN). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) a long time ago around 2003
Enjoy Vampire: Rivals games and many other gaming activities in Barcelona (Spain) with Association Khan Jugar:
sites.google.com/view/khanjugar/
Last edit: 11 Jul 2016 12:04 by Rémi.
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11 Jul 2016 14:07 #77344
by Brum
Replied by Brum on topic Rules Team Rulings - RTR 07/07/2016
My two euro cents:
In VtES tournaments one should use VtES cards. Even if they have printed paper in front of them.
I think is actually a mater of IP legality.
The case where a player is interested enough to go to a tournament, but does not own at least 102 VtES cards, seems to be very unlikely.
If you multiply that with the probability of a VtES tournament scene without anyone donating any set of 102 cards to new players, then it is almost impossible.
That is why I don't think there's any problem.
In VtES tournaments one should use VtES cards. Even if they have printed paper in front of them.
I think is actually a mater of IP legality.
The case where a player is interested enough to go to a tournament, but does not own at least 102 VtES cards, seems to be very unlikely.
If you multiply that with the probability of a VtES tournament scene without anyone donating any set of 102 cards to new players, then it is almost impossible.
That is why I don't think there's any problem.
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11 Jul 2016 14:36 #77345
by Ankha
The rules presented here were the exact proposition made to Paradox, to which they gave their consent.
I don't think it's a good idea to write them: "finally, some players want to play VTES with cards from other card games, can we change our agreement?"
But you know the French saying: "give them a hand, they take the arm".
Replied by Ankha on topic Rules Team Rulings - RTR 07/07/2016
What is the reason not to follow the rules? It can't be a cost problem, for 100 junk vtes cards are worth almost nothing
Hey,
Please do not misunderstand me, it is not a rebel joke of mine.
I am just wondering why the rules still ask players to have genuine cards during events that allow full proxies decks. I undestand that this part of the rules did make sense when the only allowed proxies cards were the VEKN pdf sets.
If someone does not have any cards, he can print proxies but he cannot go to an event that allows proxies.
If nobody thinks this could be simplify, please just forget my two posts and have a good day
Warm regards,
Rémi.
The rules presented here were the exact proposition made to Paradox, to which they gave their consent.
I don't think it's a good idea to write them: "finally, some players want to play VTES with cards from other card games, can we change our agreement?"
But you know the French saying: "give them a hand, they take the arm".
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11 Jul 2016 14:57 #77346
by Vlad
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Replied by Vlad on topic Rules Team Rulings - RTR 07/07/2016
Honestly no one cares what will be in the sleeves, as long as it is a card...
Imagine the time lost to check all decks for that !
(And I don't believe a lot ofplayers will play with other cards )
Imagine the time lost to check all decks for that !
(And I don't believe a lot ofplayers will play with other cards )
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11 Jul 2016 15:38 #77347
by Ankha
Would you encourage people to violate the rules? If not, what is the problem in using V:TES cards to play V:TES and respecting the rules?
Replied by Ankha on topic Rules Team Rulings - RTR 07/07/2016
Not checking is one thing. Violating knowingly a tournament rule is another.Honestly no one cares what will be in the sleeves, as long as it is a card...
Imagine the time lost to check all decks for that !
(And I don't believe a lot ofplayers will play with other cards )
Would you encourage people to violate the rules? If not, what is the problem in using V:TES cards to play V:TES and respecting the rules?
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11 Jul 2016 16:15 #77348
by TwoRazorReign
You answered a question with a question. I think the poster raises a legitimate question, to which I am sure there is a much better answer than the one you provided. What is the reason for the requirement that proxies include genuine cards with printed paper? Why was this requirement proposed to Paradox?
Requiring actual VTES cards for use with proxies is an added barrier to entry to tournaments. Consider the players who sold their collections ages ago but now want to get back into tournament-level VTES with proxies. These people probably don't want the hassle of buying old, used junk cards to re-enter the game. Sure, the cards are cheap. But you can't just walk into a store and pick them up from the shelf. And nobody wants to buy old, crappy cards no matter how cheap they are. These may seem like small considerations, but they are significant barriers to entry.
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What is the reason not to follow the rules? It can't be a cost problem, for 100 junk vtes cards are worth almost nothing. I mean, they must be cheaper than a sandwich or any travel to a tournament place, or to print the cards on thick paper.
So what it is?
You answered a question with a question. I think the poster raises a legitimate question, to which I am sure there is a much better answer than the one you provided. What is the reason for the requirement that proxies include genuine cards with printed paper? Why was this requirement proposed to Paradox?
Requiring actual VTES cards for use with proxies is an added barrier to entry to tournaments. Consider the players who sold their collections ages ago but now want to get back into tournament-level VTES with proxies. These people probably don't want the hassle of buying old, used junk cards to re-enter the game. Sure, the cards are cheap. But you can't just walk into a store and pick them up from the shelf. And nobody wants to buy old, crappy cards no matter how cheap they are. These may seem like small considerations, but they are significant barriers to entry.
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