file Additional Strikes

17 Mar 2025 11:01 - 17 Mar 2025 11:02 #113968 by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic Additional Strikes
Still want Ankha to answer to make it official.

I agree that the rulebook doesn't mention any such dependency/requirement but nor does it mention the need for an un-interrupted chain of additional strikes to be able to gain additional ones which has been ruled here to be the case, this is why it makes sense to get an official answer to close the circle.
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17 Mar 2025 19:28 #113972 by Kilrauko
Replied by Kilrauko on topic Additional Strikes

Still want Ankha to answer to make it official.

I agree that the rulebook doesn't mention any such dependency/requirement but nor does it mention the need for an un-interrupted chain of additional strikes to be able to gain additional ones which has been ruled here to be the case, this is why it makes sense to get an official answer to close the circle.


Why we need rules director to say that cards give effects as they are worded when previous rulings that are still valid exist?
Name: Lapse
[BL:C2, LoB:C]
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 2 blood
Discipline: Temporis/Potence
Only usable before range is determined.
[pot] This vampire gets +2 strength this round.
[tem] The opposing minion cannot maneuver this round.
[TEM] The opposing minion cannot strike during the initial strike phase this round (other strike resolution effects are not affected).
Artist: Leif Jones

Nothing in superior Lapse is preventing minions from using any additional strikes. If you're looking for that effect, you need wording on it to be like Rigor Mortis;
Name: Rigor Mortis
[BL:C2, LoB:C]
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Thanatosis/Presence
Only usable before range is determined. A minion can play only one Rigor Mortis each round.
[pre] The opposing minion cannot use any additional strikes this round.
[thn] As [pre] above, with an optional press.
[THN] As [thn] above, and once each round this combat, you may cancel a maneuver used by the opposing minion.
Artist: Brian LeBlanc

which also gives the following ruling preventing gaining additional strikes via other cards "as byproduct" when using them is forbidden. groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/gI44SEC82Yk/m/Kgipu7IXwWkJ

> If I play Rogor Mortis, does that prevent opponent from dodging with
> Acrobatics?

Yes, since the dodge comes with a mandatory prohibited additional strike.


Why this difference? Hidden lurker text (as it's been ruled gaining additionals with it is okay) vs Rigor Mortis text (where gaining additionals even as byproduct is not okay.)
Name: Hidden Lurker
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, SW:C, CE:U, KMW:PAn4]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Obfuscate
Only usable by a ready unlocked vampire other than the acting minion. Only usable after a combat between the acting minion you control and a blocking minion.
[obf] Lock this vampire. This vampire enters combat with the blocking minion. The first round of this new combat, the blocking minion cannot strike.
[OBF] As above, with an optional press.
Artist: Steve Casper

groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/-NDAClfltxk/m/POeoheutXf0J

> While you're the victim of Hidden Lurker can you or can you not burn Blur,
> etc. to no effect?
>
> I say you can't. Am I right?

Hidden Lurker prevents teh victim from striking.
The victim is still free to do whatever else he wants - including
maneuvering, pressing, gaining additional strikes, playing pre-range
cards, etc.

So, yes, you can play Blur.


"Cannot strike" and "cannot use any additional strikes" are two different things.

"Cannot strike" and "cannot strike during the initial strike phase" is a situation where latter is just more limited version of the former, in it's effect that is.

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18 Mar 2025 09:46 #113976 by Khaan
Replied by Khaan on topic Additional Strikes
I understand the Hidden Lurker ruling as meaning that you can GAIN additional strikes, for examle by playing blur, but you cannot use the additional strikes.

Is that correctly understood?

Lackeyname: Kris

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20 Mar 2025 06:43 #113983 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Additional Strikes

I understand the Hidden Lurker ruling as meaning that you can GAIN additional strikes, for examle by playing blur, but you cannot use the additional strikes.

Is that correctly understood?

Correct.

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