file Procurer recruiting another with The Shard

14 Jul 2023 07:50 #108683 by inm8
Below question came up in the discord;

While having the edge and The Shard, London in play, can one have a Procurer that is in play recruit another Procurer with the help of The Shard by reducing the blood cost of it to 0?


Procurer,


The Shard, London

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15 Jul 2023 15:05 #108707 by Bloodartist
Yes.

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15 Jul 2023 17:48 #108709 by Hakuron

Yes.

But why (if so)?
A Procurer would not be able to announce the action since recruiting another Procurer would cost him blood, and a Procurer has no blood.

However, searching the Rulebook for something that supports my reasoning, I have not found anything.
I am confused. :unsure:

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16 Jul 2023 11:31 - 16 Jul 2023 13:31 #108713 by Coyote
@inm8

Would this post you answered me cover the issue?

www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/80515-can-a-minion-play-a-card-without-enought-blood-when-declares-the-action?start=0

A Procurer can use the Shard (nothing says that you need to be a vampire to use the cost reduction). The blood cost is zero. So procurer can announce that he is using the shard while playing the recruit action (and would be forced to use it as you told me).

Unless there is some obscure rule I don't know that says that allies cannot play cards that require blood because they don't have blood and that 0 blood also means that requires blood
Last edit: 16 Jul 2023 13:31 by Coyote. Reason: Sintax

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16 Jul 2023 13:29 - 16 Jul 2023 13:31 #108714 by Coyote
Last edit: 16 Jul 2023 13:31 by Coyote.

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16 Jul 2023 20:21 - 16 Jul 2023 20:31 #108716 by inm8

@inm8

Would this post you answered me cover the issue?

www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/80515-can-a-minion-play-a-card-without-enought-blood-when-declares-the-action?start=0


Thanks for the pointer, seems to stumbled onto something ;)

I was thinking that it would be allowed, as I thought that only the inability to pay a blood cost was what prevented allies from being able to play cards with a blood cost, and just wanted Ankha to confirm that in this thread....but.

The rules seem to indicate that cards with a blood cost are only playable by vampires (and by allies playing card as a vampire)...which then means the answer is no....but the rules weren't always as per below

Rulebook:
A number in a red drop represents blood cost (the amount of blood the vampire must burn). Only a vampire with enough blood on them can play a card with a blood cost. A number in a white diamond with a skull represents pool cost (the amount of pool the Methuselah must burn). Only a Methuselah with enough pool can play a card with a pool cost.


The rule read a bit differently prior to V5

A drop of blood with a number on the left side of a library card (in the middle of the side or in the bottom corner) indicates the amount of blood or pool that must be burned to play the card. A number in a red drop represents blood cost (the amount of blood the vampire must burn). A number in a white diamond with a skull represents pool cost (the amount of pool the Methuselah must burn).

Last edit: 16 Jul 2023 20:31 by inm8. Reason: rulebook link update

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