Pentex Subversion poll and discussion

Ankha wrote:

Suoli wrote:

Ankha wrote:

Why aren't you (Mephistopheles) aware that playing a super-star deck is dangerous? You say "there is a problem with the card". I think it's more "I have a problem with the card".
Well, of course, you know it, and since you like to play super-star decks, you'd like any threat on this kind of deck to be removed. I don't think it's a good reason.

Sad to see this same old ad hominem again :/ It detracts from the actual meat of your argument, to which I respond that super-star decks should have a weakness but Pentex in it's current form is a terrible implementation. The pro-active super-star decks have enough weaknesses as it is.

It has nothing to do with ad nominem attack, I was quoting two persons (Mephistopheles and Ohlmann) and I just had to distinguish both (check the post). I don't even know Mephistopheles (under that name at least).

I find that his argument was weak, and he gave later a sensible response, even if I don't agree at all with it.

To clarify my comment: your perception about the motivation behind Mephistopheles' or anyone elses arguments is not relevant to a discussion about Pentex. I don't find it insulting or anything like that but it is purely speculative and, even if accurate, doesn't address any actual argument. That's all.

I love making superstar vampire decks. There are many of them with cool special abilities that inspire creative deck design.

The biggest obstacle to superstar deck design is Pentex Subversion.

The mere existence of this card stunts the growth of VTES as a game. It's not quite as bad as Protect Thine Own, but in most cases when it is played, it has a devastating effect on the game outcome.

I fully support banning it.

And then again, the real question is not "is pentex bad for the game ?" but "do people want to see superstar deck more powerful".

I'm not too thrilled by thoses deck, and in fact the Eze deck (maybe not the one used by mephistoles since I don't know him, but the archetype that equip 10+ equipment on their Eze to make him unstoppable) is more toxic to the game than good, especially if we remove its main problem.

Then again, you can want to build a deck entirely centered on a vampire. I'm just between septic and hostil.

The only superstar deck that is problematic is Una.

Tupdogs are almost like superstar decks as well, even moreso since there are multiple actors possible on most turns.

There are numerous "block fails" cards that can take down superstar block decks, not to mention Sensory Deprivation and other such cards.

I think it's a very strong card. I'd suggest you do it like Mephistopheles and defend against it with Suddens/Washes and your own copy of PS. That should suffice.