Pentex Subversion poll and discussion

Without Pentex gaining VPs would be harder. It's already hard as it is, removing (or decreasing the power of) pentex would make dominate a better strategy and non-dominate a worse strategy. It's a shame that's it's an auto-include, since it makes deck-building dull. But the card is good for the game.

Just stop trying to make a 10-cap block deck work. It would be a useless high risk-low yield strategy even without pentex in the game.

I agree that there is a place for Pentex-like card in the game, but as written it is just too powerful. The last two times I got it played on me was by a wallish prey. It can easily take three actions just to get the damned thing off when you have so much better to do. If it can't be changed (since errats would apparently end the world as we know it), it should be banned.

I can think of two games in which it saved the ass of my super-star because I got to contest it. Did I really want to put Pentex in those decks? No - but I couldn't afford to lose my star minion. Pentex just gets so old, so fast.

Above all, the minion who is the target of Pentex should at least be able to attempt to remove it as their sole available action.

Pentex Subversion like Anarch Troublemaker or Misdirection makes the game move forward in certain situations, thus allowing players to make VPs. Which is a good thing, of course.

Making the card unplayable by increasing the cost too much (for example) (or banning (which was not the topic of the thread)) is not a thing that would help the game imho. But I wouldn't object changing the cardtext to once per game per player clause or some such thing.

Hmm, on second thought, I could just "thanked" Izaak's post!

Ankha wrote:

Changing Pentex is likely to make wall deck and star deck too strong.

It sum it up pretty well. Yes, if you run a star deck you fear Pentex. That's too bad to have a weakness.

As a fringe nerf, a card that allow costly removal of pentex may be useful, but not needed per se (to avoid decks playing pentex just for contest).

Only change I'd like to see is make the action to remove it at +1 stealth.