Time for negotiation after playing a card before terms are set

Pascal, please I urge you rule on this.
I'm very sorry to put you in the spot like this.

Is it legal to reveal a card and negotiate before declaring it?

BenPeal wrote:

If you aren't declaring the effects of the card, then what are you doing? You've revealed the card, then doing something other than declaring its effects when you should be declaring its effects.

This.

Shouldn't this effectively end this discussion. If you have reveled a card without declaring it's effects you have not played the card (since declaring it's effect is part of playing the card). Then you have only revealed the card to the other players which is not allowed.

johannes wrote:

Nightbringer wrote:

Except that this is not the rulebook but Ben´s interpretation of things
Read Juggernauts comment on immediacy. That is precisely the point.
We´ll have to wait for Pascal to rule on it.

"A card is played by placing it face up in the playing area or by showing it to the other players and placing it face up in the ash heap. The player completely declares the effect of the card when it is played."

When it is played. Not "after you do other things". When it is played.

Ben Ben Ben...

A card is played by... (list of criteria)

Until the criteria are met, the card is not played. We already know that it doesn't go to either place listed in the rules but is officially in a limbo, so it cannot be 'played' until its effects are declared.

To quote LSJ: Don't be a zealot.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

To quote LSJ: Don't be a zealot.

Play. The. Game.