On Parity Shift 6. "problematic card".

Brum wrote:

Peter, sorry man, but in Europe Private Audience is way better than Closed Session.

Neither Private Audience nor Closed Session are good cards in the current meta game.

Villein has made it possible to play large vampires, frequently those with titles. With this proliferation comes more randomness. Closed Session and Private Audience shut out not only your enemies but also your potential friends. Vote push will always be more consistent because you can use your negotiating skills with those cross-table. CS and PA all too often end up hindering those efforts while cards like Bewitching Oration, Telepathic Vote Counting, and Scalpel Tongue can really target your problematic titled antagonists.

Only two TWDA decks since 2008 have had either Private Audience or Closed Session. I think the numbers speak for themselves.

Brum wrote:

Peter, sorry man, but in Europe Private Audience is way better than Closed Session.

They do the exact same thing. Except that one of them costs a blood. What titles are around is pure randomness.

But never, never are they in equal grounds.
In some parts of the World, Sabbat has a footing and a strong one.
To try to put the two sects in the same level at politics is not the way to go, imo.

I don't think it is either. But giving one sect a ridiculously overpowered political action isn't a way to embrace the lore. It is just a way to have a ridiculously overpowered political action in the game (which, to be fair, was put into the game at a point when no one really understood how overpowered it was. That it wasn't ever fixed when there was an opportunity to fix it is, however, a problem).

Back to the point: Parity Shift requires a set up that is harder and harder to pull through.
You will see in TWD less and less decks that rely on Parity Shift.

Well, except that we aren't. There are just as many incredibly effective Parity Shift decks as there ever were. As Parity Shift is insanely powerful. As previously noted, I was at a tournament a couple weeks ago. Not a huge tournament, or a high stakes tournament, but a collection of tournament decks. There were three of them that used PAs. All of them used Parity Shift. As Parity Shift is too strong not to use given the choice, and as you always have the choice, it is going to come up an awful lot.

bakija wrote:

They do the exact same thing. Except that one of them costs a blood. What titles are around is pure randomness.

Well, if like you say Sabbat vote is pure inefficiency, then the sabbat card is more powerful, since more camarilla vote deck are around. In addition, Prince is a more useful trait than archbishop so prince are more used simply being prince, and (without stat) I believe Sabbat tend to be less titled than camarilla (most notably, because Black hand never have native vote).

So, no, they does not the same thing.

(no comment over the "parity shift is overpowered" jazz, since it's the very same unconvincing argument as ever, and I have no new argument to add)

Ohlmann wrote:

bakija wrote:

They do the exact same thing. Except that one of them costs a blood. What titles are around is pure randomness.

Well, if like you say Sabbat vote is pure inefficiency, then the sabbat card is more powerful, since more camarilla vote deck are around. In addition, Prince is a more useful trait than archbishop so prince are more used simply being prince, and (without stat) I believe Sabbat tend to be less titled than camarilla (most notably, because Black hand never have native vote).

So, no, they does not the same thing.

(no comment over the "parity shift is overpowered" jazz, since it's the very same unconvincing argument as ever, and I have no new argument to add)

Yes, there are more camaretard vote decks. It doesn't mean that there are more camarilla vampires with titles on the table. Some people use vampires with votes in non-political decks.

Lech wrote:

Yes, there are more camaretard vote decks. It doesn't mean that there are more camarilla vampires with titles on the table. Some people use vampires with votes in non-political decks.

*sight*

Yes, but as I said, non-vote deck are less likely to play titled vampire, and sabbat vampite tend to be less titled anyway.

Check Elimelech, or Enkidu, two of the 3 11-cap without vote.

Also, as Bajika rightly said, Prince is associated with a lot of powerful card, like the traditions, while Archbishop only give title. So an average prince trump a good non-prince more easily than an average archbishop.

Also, camarilla have much more '+2 bleed with 3-4 votes' template vampire. So, when you play big caps without clan consideration, you're more likely to play camarilla big caps. The Inner circle tend to be a lot more "all-purpose" vampire than the odder sabbat vampire. With the exception of Sha-Ennu, of course.

Non-vote decks are less likely to play titled vampires, but some of them do. Yeah, archbishop may have less powerful cards, but if someone play Horrid Form deck based on meshenka or 2-3 midcap bleed, or Zubeida he play those titled vampires anyway. It's lottery. There are no average prince or archbishop, each one is distinct and people don't play those only for cards - some decks do, some play them for their other rules.