Villein hate, idea 9001
21 Jul 2011 13:01 #6578
by elotar
NC Russia



Villein hate, idea 9001 was created by elotar
All previous ideas are "attacks" on the card itself. But maybe let's do something with the reason, why this card is so good.
The reason can be worded differently, but I prefer:
"Blood on vampire is less valuable than pool".
How much less is a question, but I think ratio is near 1:2
By now my only decks without 4+ villeins are really in need of blood, like shambling Giovanni, kiasid s/b, ravnos e t.s.
We just need to invent something valuable to do with blood on minions, like more cards costing 3+ blood, some additional "default" ability or else.
It will collaterally "kill' all blood dolls and vessels, but I think it'll be fine too.
The reason can be worded differently, but I prefer:
"Blood on vampire is less valuable than pool".
How much less is a question, but I think ratio is near 1:2
By now my only decks without 4+ villeins are really in need of blood, like shambling Giovanni, kiasid s/b, ravnos e t.s.
We just need to invent something valuable to do with blood on minions, like more cards costing 3+ blood, some additional "default" ability or else.
It will collaterally "kill' all blood dolls and vessels, but I think it'll be fine too.





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21 Jul 2011 13:18 #6579
by Boris The Blade
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Play Shamblings/War ghouls/Garous? They love big fat vampires with 3 blood on them.
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21 Jul 2011 13:22 #6580
by brandonsantacruz
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
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A change like "a vampire may have only one Villein" might be easier, but I don't know that it would do enough to address the Minion Tap/Villein disparity. That and ruling "Play as written" on the blood part

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21 Jul 2011 14:56 #6584
by bakija
I think making Villein say "A Minion can only have 1 Villein" would do a lot to address the Minion Tap/Villein disparity. As Minion Tap wouldn't be (for all intents and purposes) just worse than Villein anymore. And would make including the card not such a total no brainer. That is, for my money, the best thing to do to it.
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A change like "a vampire may have only one Villein" might be easier, but I don't know that it would do enough to address the Minion Tap/Villein disparity. That and ruling "Play as written" on the blood part
I think making Villein say "A Minion can only have 1 Villein" would do a lot to address the Minion Tap/Villein disparity. As Minion Tap wouldn't be (for all intents and purposes) just worse than Villein anymore. And would make including the card not such a total no brainer. That is, for my money, the best thing to do to it.
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21 Jul 2011 15:07 #6586
by Pendargon
I really like that idea. It is elegant, simple, and kinda gives back the point to minion tap.
On a similar note, i always felt that Pentex could be fixed most easily by adding : "Only one Pentex Subversion can be played in a game".
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A change like "a vampire may have only one Villein" might be easier, but I don't know that it would do enough to address the Minion Tap/Villein disparity. That and ruling "Play as written" on the blood part
I really like that idea. It is elegant, simple, and kinda gives back the point to minion tap.
On a similar note, i always felt that Pentex could be fixed most easily by adding : "Only one Pentex Subversion can be played in a game".







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21 Jul 2011 17:38 - 21 Jul 2011 17:39 #6595
by Boris The Blade

That would make it so much stronger... If the Pentex owner can defend it, the only way to get rid of it is to contest. What you suggest would remove this possibility.
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On a similar note, i always felt that Pentex could be fixed most easily by adding : "Only one Pentex Subversion can be played in a game".

That would make it so much stronger... If the Pentex owner can defend it, the only way to get rid of it is to contest. What you suggest would remove this possibility.
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