Proposal for a new set: 'IV'

Thanks all for your replies, btw! Happy with how it's shaping up.

Disco_Stu wrote:

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Disco_Stu wrote:

Any other thoughts on what would be a good 'OMG Sabbat are scary bastards?' card?

Not so sure about scary, but as a decent Sabbat utility card, Abbot. Scratch that, it's already included, I was just looking in the wrong place.

Fiendish Tongue? Although the anarch text on it would be a bit weird for the same

As well as masters and clan cards, indicate the brutality through card art on Sabbat-y cards?

Yep, I cut Fiendish Tomgue from my first draft for that very reason. Maybe a War Party or Deploy the Hand? I don't want to assume anything for the artwork.

Okay, AK-47 is in. I like your concept for draft text for Ivory Bow, but I'll assume no changes to card text (unless it's a clarification). Something like Improvised Flamethrower or Black Gloves may be good for aggro-weaponry, without busting the power curve.

Rumours of Gehenna and Disputed Territory are in. I've never had much luck with the latter card, beyond a rather hilarious game where my Daughters vote deck managed to steal a Harbinger Brinksmanship deck's Slaughterhouses and mill him. Oh VTES, never change....

Cheers

Disco

Disco_Stu wrote:

Rumours of Gehenna and Disputed Territory are in. I've never had much luck with the latter card, beyond a rather hilarious game where my Daughters vote deck managed to steal a Harbinger Brinksmanship deck's Slaughterhouses and mill him. Oh VTES, never change....

Disputed definitely isn't the strongest card in the game, but it's probably the best of the disciplineless cards that meddle with locations - Arson, Unnatural Disaster and New Management - and I think keeping one of them accessible is sensible.

Depending on your master selection, locations can also be more plentiful in draft, if you're aiming for that to be a goal of the set. Players generally won't be able to draft the blood and pool gain that we see in so many decks, nor a clutch of Washes or Sudden Reversals. So then you're probably looking at decks that are drafting and potentially playing quite a few cheap-ish location, both from the clanless/discipliness pile, but also from those with requirements.

As I wrote before IMO it's better to just stick to basic clans but to allow all discipline cards for that clans than to limit cards that you can use in artificial way.
But even if you want to keep those limited pools of cards for each disciline, IMO it's better to stick to cards that are staples (widely used in casual and tournament plays) for those discilines/ types of cards. From what I saw in proposed cards a lot of them are just garbage that never sees play. If you want to teach new players how the game looks like and what each discipline is capable of do it with right stuff. Otherwise they will build in themselves false impresions about strenght and capabilities of each discipline/ clan/ tactic, etc.

alek wrote:

As I wrote before IMO it's better to just stick to basic clans but to allow all discipline cards for that clans than to limit cards that you can use in artificial way.
But even if you want to keep those limited pools of cards for each disciline, IMO it's better to stick to cards that are staples (widely used in casual and tournament plays) for those discilines/ types of cards. From what I saw in proposed cards a lot of them are just garbage that never sees play. If you want to teach new players how the game looks like and what each discipline is capable of do it with right stuff. Otherwise they will build in themselves false impresions about strenght and capabilities of each discipline/ clan/ tactic, etc.

Hi Alek, I (unsurprisingly) disagree. The number of discipline cards for those basic clans (by which I assume we mean core Camarilla, plus perhaps the two Sabbat clans and some Independents?) is very broad. If we're using IV as a means of sharing the game with a broader pool of players, this continues the uneven power curve of existing cards. Few cards are garbage (although there are some). Fewer cards will be garbage if the set is carefully curated to the point that outliers are eliminated.

For example, most decks (most, not all) would prefer to play with Govern than Scouting Mission. Does that mean SM is a terrible card? Not at all - but it is weaker than Govern, in that most players would prefer to spend 1 blood for the more powerful effect. Removing Govern from IV isn't because a) it's broken, b) I think DOM should be hamstrung or c) I have a deep love of SM. Rather, it's because trading Govern out for SM smoothed some bumps out of the power curve.

Disco