What if we updated these cards?
10 Mar 2023 16:00 - 13 Mar 2023 13:13 #107591
by charmer
Replied by charmer on topic What if we updated these cards?
Alrighty. Moving on...
Let's improve more cards.
Another elegant way to update underplayed action cards is to give them a free unlock. Case in point, IMHO, all these cards could benefit from having an additional "... and unlock this vampire/minion at the end of the action." , without making them too strong:
Red List , Priority Shift , Anonymous Freight , Kaymakli Barrier , Rave , Jack of Both Sides , Of Noble Blood
Similarly, some equipment could be boosted:
IR Goggles - Electronic equipment. This minion gets an optional maneuver each combat. If the action to equip with the IR Goggles is successful, the acting minion may unlock at the end of the action.
EDIT: I added the "may" clause
Maybe the above change could even be added to Light Intensifying Goggles which deprecated the IR Goggles before
Let's improve more cards.
Another elegant way to update underplayed action cards is to give them a free unlock. Case in point, IMHO, all these cards could benefit from having an additional "... and unlock this vampire/minion at the end of the action." , without making them too strong:
Red List , Priority Shift , Anonymous Freight , Kaymakli Barrier , Rave , Jack of Both Sides , Of Noble Blood
Similarly, some equipment could be boosted:
IR Goggles - Electronic equipment. This minion gets an optional maneuver each combat. If the action to equip with the IR Goggles is successful, the acting minion may unlock at the end of the action.
EDIT: I added the "may" clause
Maybe the above change could even be added to Light Intensifying Goggles which deprecated the IR Goggles before
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13 Mar 2023 13:12 #107606
by charmer
Replied by charmer on topic What if we updated these cards?
Okay then, if any unmerged, non-advanced vampire is considered "unmerged base" then the erratum could include the updated requirement clause as well: Requires an unmerged base vampire for whom an advanced version exists. While it is true that cycling the card by playing it without intent to find is fairly safe, it can still be intercepted to throw a monkey wrench into someone's plans, similarly how hunt actions are sometimes caught... IMHO, Epiphany and Legacy should be on the equal footing as each supports different decks - thus, adding the burn option still has my vote 
I'd fully expect that no card would get an erratum I proposed here without also getting a reprint as we saw before with other cards.
(Oddly enough, MotS rulings or the rulebook itself do not seem to explicitly state that a player can choose not to find a thing they are searching for - so is it just implied?)
As for the "may" clauses, I fully agree with that, Magic has had this templated a long time ago but templating in VTES is a lingering issue... I took the wording for the updated goggles from Baseball Bat but making the unlock optional makes more sense for reasons you stated.
I'll go back and update the posts for these two cards, thank you.
In the meantime, let's fix more cards, shall we?
Keep it Simple - [blood cost reduced to 0] Reduce a bleed against you by X+1 where X represents the amount of stealth the acting minion has when this card is played.
My understanding is the design of this card was very cautious at the time, but as the historical records shows, this effect never really found a niche to work even moderately well...
I'd fully expect that no card would get an erratum I proposed here without also getting a reprint as we saw before with other cards.(Oddly enough, MotS rulings or the rulebook itself do not seem to explicitly state that a player can choose not to find a thing they are searching for - so is it just implied?)
As for the "may" clauses, I fully agree with that, Magic has had this templated a long time ago but templating in VTES is a lingering issue... I took the wording for the updated goggles from Baseball Bat but making the unlock optional makes more sense for reasons you stated.
I'll go back and update the posts for these two cards, thank you.
In the meantime, let's fix more cards, shall we?
Keep it Simple - [blood cost reduced to 0] Reduce a bleed against you by X+1 where X represents the amount of stealth the acting minion has when this card is played.
My understanding is the design of this card was very cautious at the time, but as the historical records shows, this effect never really found a niche to work even moderately well...
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13 Mar 2023 14:02 #107607
by Kilrauko
No, it's quote clearly defined in the rules under wording templates www.vekn.net/rulebook/3-playing-the-game
It has origins in couple decades ago discussions groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/g1aNkwhLOHI/m/7ru6wAWBgZIJ and few replies below groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/g1aNkwhLOHI/m/jQSA2E5S3NoJ thankfully it was included to the rulebook and when the rulebook was revised with V5 by BCP still maintained there (unlike some other things that should have stayed...)
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.
Replied by Kilrauko on topic What if we updated these cards?
Okay then, if any unmerged, non-advanced vampire is considered "unmerged base" then the erratum could include the updated requirement clause as well: Requires an unmerged base vampire for whom an advanced version exists. While it is true that cycling the card by playing it without intent to find is fairly safe, it can still be intercepted to throw a monkey wrench into someone's plans, similarly how hunt actions are sometimes caught... IMHO, Epiphany and Legacy should be on the equal footing as each supports different decks - thus, adding the burn option still has my vote
(Oddly enough, MotS rulings or the rulebook itself do not seem to explicitly state that a player can choose not to find a thing they are searching for - so is it just implied?) ...
No, it's quote clearly defined in the rules under wording templates www.vekn.net/rulebook/3-playing-the-game
“Search”: Some effects have you search your library or crypt. You do not have to announce the card you are searching, and searching can result in not finding the card. If you search your library or crypt, you must shuffle it afterwards."
It has origins in couple decades ago discussions groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/g1aNkwhLOHI/m/7ru6wAWBgZIJ and few replies below groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/g1aNkwhLOHI/m/jQSA2E5S3NoJ thankfully it was included to the rulebook and when the rulebook was revised with V5 by BCP still maintained there (unlike some other things that should have stayed...)
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.
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