What if we updated these cards?

Just a quick note: when you steal The Rack or P:M you become the controller ("owner") of the card, so you would burn your own pool. Still, nice idea, cards like Street Creed definitely need de-walling them.

When Johannes Walch visited Finland years ago he brought with him a weenie Potence deck that used a lot of Street Creds and it worked brilliantly.

But agree that the cost seems rather unnecessary penalty.

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from the rulebook, it appears that VTES rules do distinguish between a controller of a card an it's owner (just like in Magic). It would be weird otherwise. Is there a rule somewhere to confirm that while in play, the controller and owner are the same?

The term used in-game is "controller". The owner relates to the physical ownership of the card, i. e. after the game, you go home with the cards you brought with you. I think it's only there to underline the fact that the ante mechanic was dropped from the game.

Well, yes, the distinction is clear though. While current cards do not use "owner" for in-play cards, if you were to break that practice, it appears that it would still work to distinguish the controller and owner... But either way would work with the updated Rampage - you'd just burn the location when your prey steals it or controls it

I had a few more candidates for becoming a trifle:

Malkavian Prank - Master. Trifle.
Each other Methuselah holds 1 to 4 counters in his or her hand. Guess the number of counters in each Methuselah's hand. If you guess correctly, you gain that much pool from his or her pool. If you guess incorrectly, that Methuselah gains that much pool from the blood bank. Only one Malkavian Prank can be played each turn.

Svadharma - Trifle. Add 2 blood to a ready Ravnos. Only one Svadharma can be played each turn.

Ascendance - Master. Trifle. Gain 1 pool. Only one Ascendance can be played each turn.

and the most obvious of them all

Tajdid - Trifle. Only one Tajdid can be played in a game. Until the end of the game, the Blood Curse no longer prevents Banu Haqim from committing diablerie.

KoRneeshon wrote:

The term used in-game is "controller". The owner relates to the physical ownership of the card, i. e. after the game, you go home with the cards you brought with you. I think it's only there to underline the fact that the ante mechanic was dropped from the game.

No, it's there because there are cards with design intent based around the mechanics the distinction provides, see www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/78568-the-capuchin-burns-temporary-control , the discussion and rule reversal that followed said discussion.

After all someone walking away with your physical property without your permission is a theft, not some hobby rules situation. In the same vein it's not defined in the rules to not verbally assault your fellow players even if it's the only way you can think of words that rhyme during Madness of the Bard.