file Superior Faceless Night vs. action fails

23 Feb 2012 13:46 - 23 Feb 2012 13:47 #23964 by henrik

He shouldn't tap because he DID block the action succesfully (which resulted in the combat that was ended by form of mist), that the action was later continued is irrelevant for that.


Re-read the post.
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23 Feb 2012 14:18 - 23 Feb 2012 14:18 #23970 by Ankha
I have the biggest difficulties following this thread. Would you be kind to summarize everything in the end? :)

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23 Feb 2012 14:20 #23971 by Pascal Bertrand

New question though, does the effect of Faceless Night apply to each vampire each resolution even if they've already been tapped during an earlier resolution?

A bleeds.
B attempts to block.
A plays superior Faceless Night.
B fails to block.
C attempts to block and succeeds. B is tapped.

A plays Form of Mist and continues the action.
B plays Rat's Warning, but does not attempt to block.

Would B become tapped once the action resolves?

Yes. Faceless Night taps at {each} resolution.
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23 Feb 2012 17:36 #23983 by AaronC

All actions resolve, except those that are canceled.


Does this statement come from the rules or LSJ, or is this an original ruling?

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23 Feb 2012 17:47 #23985 by Pascal Bertrand
Rulebook 6

Each action is resolved (successful or blocked) before another action can be attempted.

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23 Feb 2012 19:15 #23991 by AaronC
Thanks for the reference. It seems the rulebook is incomplete here since actions can also fail besides being blocked or successful, and that's from where my confusion comes. Champion, Faerie Wards, not being able to pay the cost after modifiers and reactions have been played, etc.

It's interesting that Hide the Heart says "action ends", which is similar to "action fails", but saying "ends" implies a resolution, while "fails" does not.

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