Superior Faceless Night vs. action fails

Current cardtext (which was changed in 2002, and caused the second link's discussion) changed Faceless Night so that
- it wouldn't tap minions who successfully block (matters for Atonement)
- it taps minions at resolution (rather than when their block attempt fails)

Pascal wrote:

Current cardtext (which was changed in 2002, and caused the second link's discussion) changed Faceless Night so that
- it wouldn't tap minions who successfully block (matters for Atonement)
- it taps minions at resolution (rather than when their block attempt fails)

In the second link's discussion it's also stated that there was no functional changes to the card regarding when the tapping is done.
It's a bit confusing, since if there was no functional change then those old rulings should still apply.

[LSJ 20020321] :

> That is a functional change. It now doesnt tap anybody, successfully
> blocking or not, until someone does block or the action is successful.

... because that's when you find out if the would-be blocker has
blocked the action or not. Before that time, the would-be blocker
may still block the action.

No functional change.

Is it correct that the tapping is done at the resolution of the action and not immediatly after blocks are declined?
In the cases of Form of Mist etc, is it the first or the final resolution?

henrik wrote:

Is it correct that the tapping is done at the resolution of the action and not immediatly after blocks are declined?

It is correct. You're untapped when you would play Deflection.
See also the current cardtext:

Name: Faceless Night
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Obfuscate
[obf] +1 stealth.
[OBF] +1 stealth, and any minion who attempts to block this action and fails becomes tapped when the action is resolved (before resolving the action).

henrik wrote:

In the cases of Form of Mist etc, is it the first or the final resolution?

What's the difference before the strike declaration? The answer is: you tap at resolution if you failed. [LSJ 20080506]

Pascal wrote:

henrik wrote:

In the cases of Form of Mist etc, is it the first or the final resolution?

What's the difference before the strike declaration? The answer is: you tap at resolution if you failed. [LSJ 20080506]

Well, technically the combat could happen before or after resolving the action.
My guess would've been first resolution after failing an attempt to block, but I wanted to be certain.

New question though, does the effect of Faceless Night apply to each vampire each resolution even if they've already been tapped during an earlier resolution?

A bleeds.
B attempts to block.
A plays superior Faceless Night.
B fails to block.
C attempts to block and succeeds. B is tapped.

A plays Form of Mist and continues the action.
B plays Rat's Warning, but does not attempt to block.

Would B become tapped once the action resolves?

henrik wrote:

Well, technically the combat could happen before or after resolving the action.

If you successfully block, the combat is the action's resolution.

henrik wrote:

My guess would've been first resolution after failing an attempt to block, but I wanted to be certain.

New question though, does the effect of Faceless Night apply to each vampire each resolution even if they've already been tapped during an earlier resolution?

A bleeds.
B attempts to block.
A plays superior Faceless Night.
B fails to block.
C attempts to block and succeeds. B is tapped.

A plays Form of Mist and continues the action.
B plays Rat's Warning, but does not attempt to block.

Would B become tapped once the action resolves?

Let me think on this one.

Pascal wrote:

henrik wrote:

Well, technically the combat could happen before or after resolving the action.

If you successfully block, the combat is the action's resolution.

henrik wrote:

My guess would've been first resolution after failing an attempt to block, but I wanted to be certain.

New question though, does the effect of Faceless Night apply to each vampire each resolution even if they've already been tapped during an earlier resolution?

A bleeds.
B attempts to block.
A plays superior Faceless Night.
B fails to block.
C attempts to block and succeeds. B is tapped.

A plays Form of Mist and continues the action.
B plays Rat's Warning, but does not attempt to block.

Would B become tapped once the action resolves?

Let me think on this one.

He shouldn't tap because he DID block the action succesfully (which resulted in the combat that was ended by form of mist), that the action was later continued is irrelevant for that.