Illusions of the Kindred VS Outside the Hourglass
04 Jan 2018 12:05 #84728
by Sambomb
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Replied by Sambomb on topic Illusions of the Kindred VS Outside the Hourglass
What resolve first, can A play amaranth before the new combat start therefore be burned at the bloodhunt referendum and stopping the new combat?
Can A play a Telepathic Tracking preventing the new combat ? If possible, the combat ends immediately because the opposing minion isn’t ready anymore or there is a timing to play cards like taste of vitae, disarm, amaranth?
Can A play a Telepathic Tracking preventing the new combat ? If possible, the combat ends immediately because the opposing minion isn’t ready anymore or there is a timing to play cards like taste of vitae, disarm, amaranth?
Based on the previous clarification www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76197-still-confused-about-multiple-outside-the-hourglasses#83682
1/ A plays Outside the Hourglass.
2/ A passes the impulse.
3/ B plays Illusions of the Kindred (now 0 blood). Combat ends but there's still 2 damage to handle (groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/UIFzsu-Zips/fafEXIwVn08J)
4/ B handles the 2 damage by not preventing them and going to torpor.
At step 3, an effect has been queued after the combat ends. So B is in torpor, and a combat between A and the top crypt card occurs.
The fact that B goes to torpor doesn't disrupt a combat between A and another vampire and doesn't end the action right away.
If B is the acting minion, and plays Illusions of the Kindred before A plays Outside the Hourglass, then combat ends due to IotK and A doesn't have the opportunity to play OtH against B.
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04 Jan 2018 14:06 #84731
by Ankha
See also the precedent with Weather Control + Elysium: The Arboreteum (or Alpha Glint, or Illusions of the Kindred)
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Replied by Ankha on topic Illusions of the Kindred VS Outside the Hourglass
It is, but there's still 2 damage to resolve.Hi,
I'm confused, I thought the strike: combat end is being evaluated immediately when it's played and therefore prior to the Outside the Hourglass.
See also the precedent with Weather Control + Elysium: The Arboreteum (or Alpha Glint, or Illusions of the Kindred)
groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/UIFzsu-Zips/fafEXIwVn08J
>So vamp A plays a Weather Control and vamp B plays a Illusions of the
>Kindred or Alpha Glint, does vamp B still take the damage?
Both vampire A and vampire B (and any retainers) take the damage.
# Weather Control's damage will occur even if combat is subsequently
ended before range (by Mariel or Elysium: Arboretum, e.g.) [LSJ
19971110]
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04 Jan 2018 14:24 #84732
by Kuruc
Replied by Kuruc on topic Illusions of the Kindred VS Outside the Hourglass
Oh, so when the damage comes from a retainer or it's environmental damage, it still applies even if the opposing vampire take strikes: combat end? So the strike: combat end will only be protected from other damage from strikes (hand damage/ melee damage/gun/etc...)? Does it work in the case of the carrion crows?
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04 Jan 2018 14:41 #84733
by Sambomb
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Replied by Sambomb on topic Illusions of the Kindred VS Outside the Hourglass
None of these cards are strikes.
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04 Jan 2018 15:03 #84734
by Kuruc
Replied by Kuruc on topic Illusions of the Kindred VS Outside the Hourglass
So if damage is taken sooner than normal strike, it is still applied after the strike: combat end. Out of the fight. So Carrion crows isn´t enviromental damage?
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04 Jan 2018 16:17 #84737
by Sambomb
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Replied by Sambomb on topic Illusions of the Kindred VS Outside the Hourglass
Only if the damage is originated from a strike or is explicit, the damage is from the minion, everything else is environmental.
The carrion damage is at press step that never happen if a strike combat ends occurs.
The OtH damage happen before maneuver, the impulse move to the opposing minion to resolve the damage, any viable card/effect can be used then including ItK that ends the combat but the damage still have to be resolved.
@Ankha after ItK ( combat ends ) can B play a combat card to prevent the damage since the combat already ended?
Don’t mix the steps of combat, each one occur in sequence and each card is resolved as played.
The carrion damage is at press step that never happen if a strike combat ends occurs.
The OtH damage happen before maneuver, the impulse move to the opposing minion to resolve the damage, any viable card/effect can be used then including ItK that ends the combat but the damage still have to be resolved.
@Ankha after ItK ( combat ends ) can B play a combat card to prevent the damage since the combat already ended?
Don’t mix the steps of combat, each one occur in sequence and each card is resolved as played.
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