question-circle Rotschreck and non-strike Agravated Damage

21 Jan 2022 09:58 - 22 Jan 2022 16:14 #104550 by inm8
Remi it is correctly understood...Rötschreck can only be played on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her. The "attempts" part has been ruled to tie it to the strike, meaning it can only be used during the announcements of strikes (where a damage inflicting strike is announced) but before the resolution of them.


So "attempting" implies (and that's what the RTR says) that a strike is involved. I don't want to introduce the notion that damage that is inflicted right away (Outside the Hourglass, Pulled Fangs) goes through an "attempt to inflict damage" window which brings nothing but complexity.

Therefore, Rötschreck will have from now on the following clarification/errata:

Rötschreck
Cardtype: Master
Out-of-turn. Frenzy.
Put this card on a vampire in combat when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her {with a strike} (whether the damage would be successfully inflicted or not). Combat ends. This vampire is locked and sent to torpor. This vampire does not unlock as normal. Burn this card during this vampire's unlock phase.

Last edit: 22 Jan 2022 16:14 by inm8.
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09 Apr 2022 21:37 #104970 by Velocet
So... A third player can play Rotschreck??

And Does it exist any priority when playing Rotschreck?

Thanks!

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09 Apr 2022 22:12 #104971 by thelonius reloaded
yes, a third player can play it.
About priority, just follow normal ABC sequencing. Acting, Blocking, Clockwise

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10 Apr 2022 00:46 - 10 Apr 2022 05:21 #104973 by TryDeflectingThisGrapple
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10 Apr 2022 11:41 - 10 Apr 2022 11:46 #104979 by Bloodartist

Remi it is correctly understood...Rötschreck can only be played on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her. The "attempts" part has been ruled to tie it to the strike, meaning it can only be used during the announcements of strikes (where a damage inflicting strike is announced) but before the resolution of them.


As far as I understand, if you play rötschreck yourself: you choose your strike and then immediately play rötschreck because thats how playing cards works in VTES. You play the cards you intend to play together. Then the other player gets opportunity to play their cards and effects, etc.

Sure, you cant play rötschreck as an active player unless you're playing on someone elses turn, (OOT master) but there exists a scenario where this might save the opponent a strike card (enkil cog rush, perhaps).

I am not entirely sure how the sequencing works in a case where a third player is playing rötschreck. Is it played roughly similarly as DI or do the acting and defending player choose their strikes first?

So... A third player can play Rotschreck??


This has always been the case. Its an out-of-turn master card.

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10 Apr 2022 11:53 - 10 Apr 2022 11:56 #104980 by inm8

I am not entirely sure how the sequencing works in a case where a third player is playing rötschreck. Is it played roughly similarly as DI or do the acting and defending player choose their strikes first?.


The latter, both players have to choose thier strikes first as sequence goes from acting to blocking to rest of the players clockwise (similar to how Eagle’s Sight is played).
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