Crypt card redesign

BenPeal wrote:

You have made it very clear twice in this thread that you sought to resolve the design problem of what to do when the vampire has no text. You have created a hole to fill. Remove the hole and there becomes no need to fill it.

I stated it "also" solves a design issue; it was never the sole reason. Equally; that was in response to suggestions the sect should be moved to the black bar.

The black bar provides a clear location for clan name and group. The clan name is helpful for new players and doesn't interfere with the current card text (separated by design).

Asides from the fact that it is a change; please advise what the negative impact is?

Ke. wrote:

Asides from the fact that it is a change; please advise what the negative impact is?

You're occupying card space with redundant information in the attempt to address an issue that is unrelated to crypt cards and that has already been addressed. That's card space that can be used for increasing the font size for improved readibility - something which can help all players and not just new ones.

BenPeal wrote:

I get the feeling you're frustrated by the prospect of having to do a lot more work to come up with something that works properly.

Your feeling is incorrect; poor assumption.

I am in no way am I frustrated by the amount of work involved — if anything the sheer scale of the task at hand and what has already been accomplished shows this.

The main thing that frustrates me is fear of and resistance to change.

Further issues with traits, attributes, keywords, and terms:

Keyword: Not defined or referenced in the rulebook. It's a general term in gaming.
Trait: Only referenced in the rulebook in the rules for the special term Vulnerability. The only trait is Cold Iron.
Attribute: Clan and discipline symbols go in the attribute bar of a crypt card. Attribute is also referenced in the rules for Anarch vampires - the only attribute is Anarch.
Term: Terms are the proposed results of a successful referendum. Special terms are (traits/attributes/keywords/terms) that have special rules associated with them in the rulebook.

All other (traits/attributes/keywords/terms) such as Black Hand, Seraph, mortal, ghoul, animal, and Gehenna are not defined in the rulebook as being a trait, attribute, keyword, or term. We've clearly gotten along just fine without such a definition, but from a hard-coding perspective, it would be good to define them.

I propose the following terminology:

Keyword: Remains not defined in the rules. Just a general term in gaming.
Atttibute: Only refers to the attribute bar, where clan, discipline, and Advanced icons are displayed.
Terms: Only refers to the proposed result of a successful referendum.
Trait: All of the keywords, such as Black Hand, Seraph, mortal, ghoul, animal and Gehenna. Also includes "special traits", which are those listed in the "special terms" section of the rulebook (simply renaming "special term" to "special trait").

Note that by these definitions, things like "+1 strength" and "+1 intercept" are not traits. They remain abilities provided to a vampire in its card text.

BenPeal wrote:

I propose the following terminology:

Keyword: Remains not defined in the rules. Just a general term in gaming.
Atttibute: Only refers to the attribute bar, where clan, discipline, and Advanced icons are displayed.
Terms: Only refers to the proposed result of a successful referendum.
Trait: All of the keywords, such as Black Hand, Seraph, mortal, ghoul, animal and Gehenna. Also includes "special traits", which are those listed in the "special terms" section of the rulebook (simply renaming "special term" to "special trait").

Note that by these definitions, things like "+1 strength" and "+1 intercept" are not traits. They remain abilities provided to a vampire in its card text.

Perhaps things like "+1 strength" and "+1 intercept" could be defined as "simple abilities". Thoughts?