Who Needs More Love? !Brujah, !Gangrel or !Nosferatu?

Pretty right. Celerity, outside of gun, is more of a support combat discipline, without too much non combat stuff. Resist Earth Grasp is amazing and Flurry of action is useable but apart from thoses two ?

(note that !Brujah, like Brujah, also have Iron Glare and scalpel tongue at the same time, both being pretty amazing card)

have also scourge of alecto (amazing card, isn't it?). Iron Glare is not bad for high capacity vampires, but is not great card, Scalpel Tongue is good card, but alone have better cards like BO or awe.

Lech wrote:

Iron Glare is not bad for high capacity vampires, but is not great card, Scalpel Tongue is good card, but alone have better cards like BO or awe.

For a dedicated vote deck, alone may be better, but for a mixed strategy both card are a lot more amazing than the vote-specialists one.

Sup' iron glare is more or less an inferior version of BO and Threat in one card. Theirs effects are not extremely powerful, but the versality is.

Haze wrote:

yes that's right. !Gangrel are weaker than Assamites.

While I totally agree with you, I have been recently playing a not horrible !Gangrel deck--all the guys in G3/4 who are 4 cap and smaller, and then 2 each of Hartmut and Mugur (both Arch Bishops). Basically a very master heavy (40%; multiple Parthenons) breed/boon bloat political deck that uses a lot of Bay and Howl to get the big guys out fast. Hardly super optimal, using Protean and Obfuscate for stealth and combat defense, but not horrible. Granted, the only thing the !Gangrel angle has going for it is the Bays and Howls (10% of the deck), but certainly playable and wins occasionally.

As noted by, well, everyone already, the !Gangrel lack discipline cohesion and ousting power. Leathery Hide isn't horrible. Bay and Howl is strongish. City Gangrel Connections gives them a little help in the voting department (although, for the love of puck rock, why Una doesn't have Obfustcate is beyond me. Oh, wait. Then she'd be even more insanely broken. Make her "Once per turn, Una may pay 1 less blood for a fortitude card" and turn the dem into OBF...). Giving them a clan specific card that gives them some bleed potential (and doesn't blow) and they might have a fighting chance.

To address Jeff's question:

A) Una: A broken one trick pony. It's a really good trick, but that's all she does. And results in one of those decks that either gets shut down instantly due to a Pentex, a DI, or a preemptive insanely effective rush *or* she goes off and either just wins or ruins the game for everyone but her.

B ) Enkidu: Not really a one trick pony, but in my experience (which, re: Enkidu, is pretty vast) tends to make decks that don't win but do ruin the game for anyone sitting next to him, either by being a huge silly, crater making combat deck that has a lot of trouble actually winning *or* by being some Raptor "Really! I can deck you and win with a Brinksmanship!" abomination. I have seen decks with Enkidu win games (very) seldomly. I have seen decks with Enkidu just make a game a huge mess, ruin people, and directly contribute to someone else winning (very) often.

C) Aksinya: A very good support vampire. Who costs 9. She isn't winning any games on her own. But she has an almost unique mechanic attached to her (use master cards for something other than being master cards or discards; Pariah is the only other minion who does something like this IIRC, and his ability is vastly worse, although still something to build a deck around once and a while for fun), so she will show up in decks that want to really maximize master use and needs bleed bounce grafted in. Like when hanging out with Cybele. But Aksinya is rarely going to be the main focus of the deck--she is going to be the adjunct that provides bounce support and master cycling.

TWDA
!Brujah 22 (6 in 2010-2011)
!Gangrel 37 (boosted by Aksinya rather than Una, 12 in 2010-2011)
!Nos 27 (2 in 2010, 0 in 2011)

obviously this in only one way of looking at it - you could also search the TWDA for vampire instances and i'm sure !nos would get Beast and !Gan would get Aksinya a few times ad !Brujah would get erm Sarah Brando?

My local data on tournament clans and decks is't ready yet but I see more !Nos and !Bru clan absed decks (!bru around Hektor, !nos around Beast or Bhand).

bakija wrote:

But she has an almost unique mechanic attached to her (use master cards for something other than being master cards or discards; Pariah is the only other minion who does something like this IIRC, and his ability is vastly worse, although still something to build a deck around once and a while for fun)

Check also some female 10 cap lasombra.