New set in 2012

ke. wrote:

Has anyone considered these guys?

www.gobretail.com/podcards-pricing.php

There is another one that is mentioned regularly on BoardGameGeek in the DIY Games section. They seem to have ways for people to upload a set of card and card backs into their site and allow for Pay-to-Print for others from that preset package.

Artscow
www.artscow.com/

Of course, if this falls foul of the current Licencing Agreements, then of course we can't do it. I have to say, I'm hoping that we could have such a product option, but I understand that Hasbro-WoTC & CCP-WW would want a piece of any potential profit action going on with VTES in the future.

KevinM wrote:

Other than Robert Goudie issuing a press release and the Princes putting up a flyer, or otherwise announcing the information, at their LFGS, how and where else *could* the set be announced?

I've no idea.

johannes wrote:

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Of course, if this falls foul of the current Licencing Agreements, then of course we can't do it. I have to say, I'm hoping that we could have such a product option, but I understand that Hasbro-WoTC & CCP-WW would want a piece of any potential profit action going on with VTES in the future.

If they wanted a piece of the action, fine. Then we would be producing real VTES sets and pay it. But they want none of that.

This will be strictly in the "tolerated only" area, where they could potentially have legal grounds to stop us (even with PDF only) but they see no point if all they gain is annoyed and aggravated fans. But if there is any profit, they will shut it down for sure.

I agree with Johannes.

It seems like with this new set, only color printings slipped over an actual VTES card will be allowed (in a sleeve obviously).

In fact, it may be beneficial to expressly and explicitly prohibit players from using cards professionally printed on card stock (for those that don't like sleeves). As previously mentioned, this is likely to run afoul of the copyright and licensing issues. So if VEKN expressly prohibits such cards from being used, it gives VEKN greater credibility that it is respectful of the VTES license. (i.e. by VEKN "policing" the player community regarding licensing issues internally, it becomes less likely that WotC/CCP will feel motivated to heavy-handedily enforce their rights).

echiang wrote:

johannes wrote:

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Of course, if this falls foul of the current Licencing Agreements, then of course we can't do it. I have to say, I'm hoping that we could have such a product option, but I understand that Hasbro-WoTC & CCP-WW would want a piece of any potential profit action going on with VTES in the future.

If they wanted a piece of the action, fine. Then we would be producing real VTES sets and pay it. But they want none of that.

This will be strictly in the "tolerated only" area, where they could potentially have legal grounds to stop us (even with PDF only) but they see no point if all they gain is annoyed and aggravated fans. But if there is any profit, they will shut it down for sure.

I agree with Johannes.

It seems like with this new set, only color printings slipped over an actual VTES card will be allowed (in a sleeve obviously).

In fact, it may be beneficial to expressly and explicitly prohibit players from using cards professionally printed on card stock (for those that don't like sleeves). As previously mentioned, this is likely to run afoul of the copyright and licensing issues. So if VEKN expressly prohibits such cards from being used, it gives VEKN greater credibility that it is respectful of the VTES license. (i.e. by VEKN "policing" the player community regarding licensing issues internally, it becomes less likely that WotC/CCP will feel motivated to heavy-handedily enforce their rights).

I'm pretty sure there is 0% chance for me to get sued by CCP if I duplicate a VTES card in photoshop and have it printed on the exact same paper as a real VTES card in the local copyshop.

In fact, in this country it's actually legal to duplicate anything that's copyrighted for my own use and I'd be surprised if this wasn't actually a European Law. As soon as you start selling the things in any sort of noticable quantity and start making profit it's a different thing of course.

If I were to choose to continue playing V:TES after this fan-set is released (which seems unlikely, but you never know), I'd make sure to have the new cards printed properly, without this "glue on VTES card" nonsense.