A proposition to change Lilith's Blessing and Anthelios

wastaz wrote:

I'd rather see that card recursion was kept as a trick available only for -users..

This.

Maybe Ashur tablet are not overpowered. But playing with them is like playing another game, since you can actually adapt your deck content to the situation

Jeff wrote:

If only there were some cards which made possessing the Bahari trait a real negative side-effect...

Yes truly a great design methodology Jeff - which is why the overwhelming majority didn't like it.

Jeff wrote:

If only there were some cards which made possessing the Bahari trait a real negative side-effect...

Squidalot wrote:

Yes truly a great design methodology Jeff

There are three ways to address problem cards that already exist:

1) Ban them
2) Change them
3) Create new cards that interact with them.

By most accounts on this thread, Lilith's Blessing is a problem. Choice #3 is a great design methodology. In fact, it is the most commonly used one.

Jeff wrote:

By most accounts on this thread, Lilith's Blessing is a problem. Choice #3 is a great design methodology. In fact, it is the most commonly used one.

So great and so commonly used that the VEKN is strictly against it. A card that work only against Lillith is a trashy idea.

If Bahari was an expanded trait similar to black hand or red list this would work. But there is more than enough thematics that were only half done, so no need to add a 1/16 done one.

Jeff wrote:

There are three ways to address problem cards that already exist:

1) Ban them
2) Change them
3) Create new cards that interact with them.

By most accounts on this thread, Lilith's Blessing is a problem. Choice #3 is a great design methodology. In fact, it is the most commonly used one.

4/ Update the Rules (in the case of lilith's blessing, make Bahari Independent, for instance)

Define "great". Pentex is a pain for many decks. Shadow of Taint is one of the best ways to deal with Pentex. Shadow of Taint clearly isn't "great".

Contesting Pentex looks stronger.

Pascal wrote:

4/ Update the Rules (in the case of lilith's blessing, make Bahari Independent, for instance)

Define "great". Pentex is a pain for many decks. Shadow of Taint is one of the best ways to deal with Pentex. Shadow of Taint clearly isn't "great".

Contesting Pentex looks stronger.

Yes, very clearly 4/ is a solid option. I think it can be one of the best ways to improve and reinvigorate the game. Your creation of "ballots" to address the game mechanics issues with the Priscus Block was a very good clarification of the rules.

I have also proposed various rules changes over the years--the "Kuta" Transfer Rule, extra options for burning the Edge, and most recently removing crypt cards from the game to gain pool--which are an attempt to solve what I see as global metagame issues or to provide more subtle options to make the game more fun and interesting.

I only used the word "great" in the same respect that Hugh originally did. I strongly believe that new cards can be created to address problems in the game. That's why I do it.