Ideas for crypt Sabbat cards
09 Aug 2011 18:45 #7719
by Lech
Adan is too big and his special is not good, he wouldn't be used much. Overcosted.
Alice is boring !Ventrue, obf at inferior make her decent for obf DOM s&b. not bad.
Amanda is overcosted. Useless special. Presence helps, but g2 do it better.
Amaroo is overcosted. Out of clan OBT seems like a waste. Useless.
Amy is good, even very good. Staple vampire in AUS PRE torries.
Austin is great 4 cap.
and 
means great daring the dawn for 6.
Beatrix ability sound costly, but she is good vampire regardless.
Berg have DOM and ability for agg hands, could find some use.
Beryl with innate unique title and build in freak for younger is great vampire.
Carles is meh
Chrys is decent.
Connected is odd.
Dame sucks.
Daniel is overcosted.
Daniela sucks.
Dascot is not that bad, but bad anyway.
Dean innate rush might be useful, but -1 strength and lack of
or 
or 
(to play thrown gate or aids from bats or swallowed) make him subpar.
Eloise is good 6 cap.
Estrella would be first sabbat 11 cap worth using, special is neat, disciplines are sound.
Looks like flavia have too much disciplines. Otherwise she is !Nos, and dont have
Frederic is bog standard 5 cap. Good.
Fredy is good vampire. owns.
Guilermo sucks.
There are better vampires than ildaras.
Imre is overcosted.
Jenare is great vampire, sadly she is city gangrel
Kanira is overcosted and lack something to make her worth playing.
Lady is too big to be played.
Maria is decent vampire. Group 2 is way better anyway for PRE lasombra.
Lips is great vampire.
Linda is good vampire. Burning weenies is good ability.
Lord of madness is good vampire, ability to move blood is strong.
Lor chimestry is out of place, useless.
Lucia sounds fun.
Mad carrion is not bad.
Marrianne is nos.
Marius is fun vampire to use, like his special.
Matt is decent.
Mint abbility is overprice, but can be handy.
Monroe is good.
X can find some use. Pro nossies ? earth meld + intercept ... didn't gangrel have it better ?
Nikx is too big. special is useless.
Oceane is bit too pricy, another vamp for 
. didnt g2 do it better ?
Peter... 8 cap, no useful out of clan, on the other hand build in path, could find some use.
Plague doctor is great.
Red skull sucks.
Canceling combat ends is nice, but 2 blood and 10 cap ? really ?
Samael is very good, possibly too good.
Samus is very good. Better selena.
Prisci,+1 bleed and superior in clan make her good vampire.
Conditional rush for sucky 9 cap with no other special ? Useless.
Shanon is great, her special, would make sabbat vote deck a choice.
Teeth is not bad.
Hill will see as much play as mitru.
Tom is good, nice special.
Trevor is overcosted.
Tristan is not good.
Varva, not bad, but i would expect more.
Overall nice art.
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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Adan is too big and his special is not good, he wouldn't be used much. Overcosted.
Alice is boring !Ventrue, obf at inferior make her decent for obf DOM s&b. not bad.
Amanda is overcosted. Useless special. Presence helps, but g2 do it better.
Amaroo is overcosted. Out of clan OBT seems like a waste. Useless.
Amy is good, even very good. Staple vampire in AUS PRE torries.
Austin is great 4 cap.
and means great daring the dawn for 6.Beatrix ability sound costly, but she is good vampire regardless.
Berg have DOM and ability for agg hands, could find some use.
Beryl with innate unique title and build in freak for younger is great vampire.
Carles is meh
Chrys is decent.
Connected is odd.
Dame sucks.
Daniel is overcosted.
Daniela sucks.
Dascot is not that bad, but bad anyway.
Dean innate rush might be useful, but -1 strength and lack of
or or (to play thrown gate or aids from bats or swallowed) make him subpar.Eloise is good 6 cap.
Estrella would be first sabbat 11 cap worth using, special is neat, disciplines are sound.
Looks like flavia have too much disciplines. Otherwise she is !Nos, and dont have
Frederic is bog standard 5 cap. Good.
Fredy is good vampire.
owns.Guilermo sucks.
There are better vampires than ildaras.
Imre is overcosted.
Jenare is great vampire, sadly she is city gangrel
Kanira is overcosted and lack something to make her worth playing.
Lady is too big to be played.
Maria is decent vampire. Group 2 is way better anyway for PRE lasombra.
Lips is great vampire.
Linda is good vampire. Burning weenies is good ability.
Lord of madness is good vampire, ability to move blood is strong.
Lor chimestry is out of place, useless.
Lucia sounds fun.
Mad carrion is not bad.
Marrianne is nos.
Marius is fun vampire to use, like his special.
Matt is decent.
Mint abbility is overprice, but can be handy.
Monroe is good.
X can find some use. Pro nossies ? earth meld + intercept ... didn't gangrel have it better ?
Nikx is too big. special is useless.
Oceane is bit too pricy, another vamp for
. didnt g2 do it better ?Peter... 8 cap, no useful out of clan, on the other hand build in path, could find some use.
Plague doctor is great.
Red skull sucks.
Canceling combat ends is nice, but 2 blood and 10 cap ? really ?
Samael is very good, possibly too good.
Samus is very good. Better selena.
Prisci,+1 bleed and superior in clan make her good vampire.
Conditional rush for sucky 9 cap with no other special ? Useless.
Shanon is great, her special,
would make sabbat vote deck a choice.Teeth is not bad.
Hill will see as much play as mitru.
Tom is good, nice special.
Trevor is overcosted.
Tristan is not good.
Varva, not bad, but i would expect more.
Overall nice art.
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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09 Aug 2011 19:45 #7721
by AaronC
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Samael Fergus = floppyzedolphin sans beard & locks? 
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09 Aug 2011 20:01 #7722
by Pascal Bertrand
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It's been a long time now .. I think I wonder what I'd look like without it. I'm pretty sure I'd feel cold
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09 Aug 2011 20:11 - 09 Aug 2011 20:11 #7723
by Pendargon
Sure, but she has an in-built bleed for 3, 4 votes, and her other disciplines are DOM and OBT and POT.
Now, in my book, DOM OBT beats ANI abo any day.
It's the corelation of disciplines, she has both access to easy multiacting via freak drives, Magic of the smiths/rutors, strong political/stealt/bleed angle, and can even wreck your face with POT/FOR/THA combat paired with aggravated hands from pro.
She does everything a bit too well. She might be next Stanislava (which can fight if needed), are we sure we want that?
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She is an 11 cap. Fakir al Sidi has got all 3 of those disciplines at superior already, albeit without any title.img823.imageshack.us/img823/2695/estrellashadow.jpg
Imho, too good discipline spread. FOR or THA and/or pro has to go.
Sure, but she has an in-built bleed for 3, 4 votes, and her other disciplines are DOM and OBT and POT.
Now, in my book, DOM OBT beats ANI abo any day.
It's the corelation of disciplines, she has both access to easy multiacting via freak drives, Magic of the smiths/rutors, strong political/stealt/bleed angle, and can even wreck your face with POT/FOR/THA combat paired with aggravated hands from pro.
She does everything a bit too well. She might be next Stanislava (which can fight if needed), are we sure we want that?
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10 Aug 2011 00:08 #7727
by Juggernaut1981
Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: Ideas for crypt Sabbat cards
Adan
I might be tempted to remove the unlimtied +bleed and change it to either +2 bleed against a Methuselah who controls and Infernal Vampire or +2 damage with strikes against Infernal vampires. Nice art though.
Alice
I don't think I can show my wife that card, the drool marks might be obvious. Solid enough !Ven. Needless to say... I'd tap that... in the ready region of course, just before declaring an action! (I hope that was a smooth recovery...)
Amanda
That card text is crippling... burn 2 blood I would consider but 2 pool??? Discipline spread is good, like the title. Artwork is good.
Amaroo
Interesting disciplines... and 
... I think I'm tired of seeing major vampires with in-clan inferior disciplines. I'd be willing to swap the 
or one level of 
to get .
Amy Ford
Solid. I like it.
Austin
Nice enough, don't like the "Spare member of the Gorillaz" artwork though.
Beatrix
Interesting card text, I'd pay the extra pool to have that text. I like the artwork.
Berg
Roids of the month club. Feels a bit over-powered with the and +bleed but then again he is a 9cap... line-ball I'd say.
Beryl
Nice, but change it to "Once during your minion phase Beryl may burn 1 blood to untap a younger vampire you control". Otherwise she's a bit too cross-table meddling... Like the art theme for the card but the style is a bit too anime for my taste.
Carles
Nice enough text, I think it's fairly balanced. Like the artwork.
Chys
Nice. Good solid vampire.
Connected to the Madness
Bad name. It should be easy to say... Kindred Madman for instance. Need to tweak the text (below). Good artwork.
Sabbat. Malkavian antitribu Slave. ((Name)) cannot be a Slave to a non-unique vampire. ((Name)) may tap to give another Malkavian antitribu +1 strength for the current action, only usable before combat. -1 bleed.
Dame
Can't see how
abilities would allow you to pay less for . If it was 
then I see it easily... Otherwise she's just a big Nossie with Fortitude which I like. (Disciplines are out of order...) Nice artwork.
Daniel
There's some solid bad-ass looking Brujah. I like it.
Daniela
Nice, but I'd amend her text to say "until your next discard phase" or "until your next untap phase".
Dascot
I liiiike the art. Very good. Disciplines are a let-down. I'd have hoped for and the card text.
Dean
I'd swap out -1 strength for -1 bleed. Dunno about the straw-man artwork, but sure. Another City-Gangrel-Nossie.
Eloise
Yay, 6-cap-all-in-clan-superiors vampire. YAY!
Estrella
Nice idea, bad text. "Estrella may put a shadow counter on a vampire controlled by your predator or prey as a
action. When a vampire with a shadow counter declares an action, they transfer 1 blood to Estrella. +2 bleed". I think the +2 bleed is overkill, that ability alone has serious steroids on it, especially with 
. Like the artwork.
Flavia
More of the City-Gangrel-Nossies. Out-of-clan
is interesting. Love the artwork.
Frederick
Nice. Artwork is nice too.
Fredy
Interesting art, solid vamp
Guillermo
Greta gets to reduce bleed for 1 blood, and this guy gets 1 damage for 2 blood? I'd prefer it to be "When a younger vampire or ally attempted to bleed you, (before blocks/after resolving the action) Guillermo may burn 1 blood to deal 1 damage to the minion." Nice art.
Ildaras
Tzim with
and you think he needs a little and . The guy is pretty darn badass as it is. I'd trade off the or to get something like +1 intercept or +1 strength...
Imre
Sure...... sure art is cool, but I dunno... no animalism retainers, no untaps, no Army of Rats just not sure what to do with him. Beyond the obvious Horrid Form + IG + BAD THINGS (tm).
Jenare
Nice.
Kanira
Sure, City Gangrel need some kind of defence other than Askinya.
Lady Bing Qing
She plays with dead people, and I love it. Text needs a little tweak (Zombie Ally or retainer she could recuit) but other than that... fun gal to have around.
Lady Maria
Lots of and turning up on these Lasombra, suppose the bigger ones always did do politics. Nice art.
Lips
Hehehe silly looking crazy people. TICK!
Little Linda
Fun and I LOVE the artwork. "Don't do that, Bear doesn't like it... *RAWR*"
Lord of Madness
I think it should be an Epithet. "Jacques, Lord of the Madness". I don't know about 3 blood, I could see it being 2 blood (like Menele). Good artwork.
Lorraine
Who in the WHAT NOW? Nah, she's sitting in the box for a LONG time now.
Lucia Cortes
Hehehehe I like her. Nice artwork.
Mad Carrion
I think he should probably have but other than that... nice. Like the art.
Marianne
More Nos with... they seem to be tough or play with Gangrel in this collection. Not that I mind, but still. Like the artwork alot actually.
Marius
Maybe make it +bleed or -bleed... OR if you don't WIN Marius loses blood. (removes the problem of draws).
Matt Ivanek
Sure,
... seems like the Malks got violent-crazy recently.
Mint
Why oh WHY am I paying 2 blood for an additional when I have???
"Once per combat, Mint may burn 2 blood to get an additional strike that does not count against the limit to additional strikes." That would make it worth it.
Monroe
I'm happy to not see too much on the smaller vamps. Nice art.
Mr X
He's happy to see you, and he'd like to show you with his knife... nice.
Nikx
I don't know if I'd use her ability at 2 blood. At 1 blood, I'd consider it.
Oceane Mourchois
Nice enough, I miss see
and 
on !Tor.
Peter
I'm yet to really see great reasons (other than thematic) for grafting on
... but nice enough vampire. Like the artwork.
Plague Doctor
I'll trade Priscus to get.
Red Skull
Seems a little underpriced, but fairly solid. Again with the protean...
Rotted Gentleman
Oh yes please! I don't know if I understand the
(especially since plenty of the others are packing ... he'd seem like the right person to be teaching to the younger ones...) but very gooooood.
Samael
Nice vampire. I'd tap that... in my ready region.
Samus
Disciplines out of order, but YAY 6cap with all-in-clan-superiors! YAY!
Sandra
Malks can't bleed enough without built in +bleed???
Scorpion
I'd change it to "Titled Camarilla vampire" but still very good... My kind of Brujah.
Shanon
"When a referendum called by a vampire you control other than Shanon passes Shanon may burn a blood to give you 1 pool from the blood bank." would potentially be better. Bit tired of the "lots of black leather". I got enough BDSM Brujah with Tura Vaughn.
Teeth
Awww he's so leg-munchingly adorable!
The Hill
WOW. AND cheap ??? This Hill will destroy stuff... regularly. Love the "child of Conan and Jeff Martin of The Tea Party Band" look...
Tom Mercer
I'd change it to "Tom may recruit an ally or retainer from your ashheap that requires or costing an additional blood or pool once per turn."
Trevor
Solid. I'd play that vamp.
Tristan
Mariel Lady Thunder Mk2.
"When a minion you control is about to enter combat, you may tap Tristan to deal 2 damage to every minion and retainer in the combat." would be a better text. Still don't know if I'd be paying 7 pool for him though...
Varvara
Varavara gets Ponticulus and the Ankara Citadel... Holy crap YES! Awe for HALF PRICE???? GOLDEN!
I might be tempted to remove the unlimtied +bleed and change it to either +2 bleed against a Methuselah who controls and Infernal Vampire or +2 damage with strikes against Infernal vampires. Nice art though.
Alice
I don't think I can show my wife that card, the drool marks might be obvious. Solid enough !Ven. Needless to say... I'd tap that... in the ready region of course, just before declaring an action! (I hope that was a smooth recovery...)
Amanda
That card text is crippling... burn 2 blood I would consider but 2 pool??? Discipline spread is good, like the title. Artwork is good.
Amaroo
Interesting disciplines...
and ... I think I'm tired of seeing major vampires with in-clan inferior disciplines. I'd be willing to swap the or one level of to get .Amy Ford
Solid. I like it.
Austin
Nice enough, don't like the "Spare member of the Gorillaz" artwork though.
Beatrix
Interesting card text, I'd pay the extra pool to have that text. I like the artwork.
Berg
Roids of the month club. Feels a bit over-powered with the
and +bleed but then again he is a 9cap... line-ball I'd say.Beryl
Nice, but change it to "Once during your minion phase Beryl may burn 1 blood to untap a younger vampire you control". Otherwise she's a bit too cross-table meddling... Like the art theme for the card but the style is a bit too anime for my taste.
Carles
Nice enough text, I think it's fairly balanced. Like the artwork.
Chys
Nice. Good solid vampire.
Connected to the Madness
Bad name. It should be easy to say... Kindred Madman for instance. Need to tweak the text (below). Good artwork.
Sabbat. Malkavian antitribu Slave. ((Name)) cannot be a Slave to a non-unique vampire. ((Name)) may tap to give another Malkavian antitribu +1 strength for the current action, only usable before combat. -1 bleed.
Dame
Can't see how
abilities would allow you to pay less for . If it was then I see it easily... Otherwise she's just a big Nossie with Fortitude which I like. (Disciplines are out of order...) Nice artwork.Daniel
There's some solid bad-ass looking Brujah. I like it.
Daniela
Nice, but I'd amend her text to say "until your next discard phase" or "until your next untap phase".
Dascot
I liiiike the art. Very good. Disciplines are a let-down. I'd have hoped for
and the card text.Dean
I'd swap out -1 strength for -1 bleed. Dunno about the straw-man artwork, but sure. Another City-Gangrel-Nossie.
Eloise
Yay, 6-cap-all-in-clan-superiors vampire. YAY!
Estrella
Nice idea, bad text. "Estrella may put a shadow counter on a vampire controlled by your predator or prey as a
action. When a vampire with a shadow counter declares an action, they transfer 1 blood to Estrella. +2 bleed". I think the +2 bleed is overkill, that ability alone has serious steroids on it, especially with . Like the artwork.Flavia
More of the City-Gangrel-Nossies. Out-of-clan
is interesting. Love the artwork.Frederick
Nice. Artwork is nice too.
Fredy
Interesting art, solid vamp
Guillermo
Greta gets to reduce bleed for 1 blood, and this guy gets 1 damage for 2 blood? I'd prefer it to be "When a younger vampire or ally attempted to bleed you, (before blocks/after resolving the action) Guillermo may burn 1 blood to deal 1 damage to the minion." Nice art.
Ildaras
Tzim with
and you think he needs a little and . The guy is pretty darn badass as it is. I'd trade off the or to get something like +1 intercept or +1 strength...Imre
Sure...
... sure art is cool, but I dunno... no animalism retainers, no untaps, no Army of Rats just not sure what to do with him. Beyond the obvious Horrid Form + IG + BAD THINGS (tm).Jenare
Nice.
Kanira
Sure, City Gangrel need some kind of defence other than Askinya.
Lady Bing Qing
She plays with dead people, and I love it. Text needs a little tweak (Zombie Ally or retainer she could recuit) but other than that... fun gal to have around.
Lady Maria
Lots of
and turning up on these Lasombra, suppose the bigger ones always did do politics. Nice art.Lips
Hehehe silly looking crazy people. TICK!
Little Linda
Fun and I LOVE the artwork. "Don't do that, Bear doesn't like it... *RAWR*"
Lord of Madness
I think it should be an Epithet. "Jacques, Lord of the Madness". I don't know about 3 blood, I could see it being 2 blood (like Menele). Good artwork.
Lorraine
Who in the WHAT NOW? Nah, she's sitting in the box for a LONG time now.Lucia Cortes
Hehehehe I like her. Nice artwork.
Mad Carrion
I think he should probably have
but other than that... nice. Like the art.Marianne
More Nos with
... they seem to be tough or play with Gangrel in this collection. Not that I mind, but still. Like the artwork alot actually.Marius
Maybe make it +bleed or -bleed... OR if you don't WIN Marius loses blood. (removes the problem of draws).
Matt Ivanek
Sure,
... seems like the Malks got violent-crazy recently.Mint
Why oh WHY am I paying 2 blood for an additional when I have
???"Once per combat, Mint may burn 2 blood to get an additional strike that does not count against the limit to additional strikes." That would make it worth it.
Monroe
I'm happy to not see too much
on the smaller vamps. Nice art.Mr X
He's happy to see you, and he'd like to show you with his knife... nice.
Nikx
I don't know if I'd use her ability at 2 blood. At 1 blood, I'd consider it.
Oceane Mourchois
Nice enough, I miss see
and on !Tor.Peter
I'm yet to really see great reasons (other than thematic) for grafting on
... but nice enough vampire. Like the artwork.Plague Doctor
I'll trade Priscus to get
.Red Skull
Seems a little underpriced, but fairly solid. Again with the protean...
Rotted Gentleman
Oh yes please! I don't know if I understand the
(especially since plenty of the others are packing ... he'd seem like the right person to be teaching to the younger ones...) but very gooooood.Samael
Nice vampire. I'd tap that... in my ready region.
Samus
Disciplines out of order, but YAY 6cap with all-in-clan-superiors! YAY!
Sandra
Malks can't bleed enough without built in +bleed???
Scorpion
I'd change it to "Titled Camarilla vampire" but still very good... My kind of Brujah.
Shanon
"When a referendum called by a vampire you control other than Shanon passes Shanon may burn a blood to give you 1 pool from the blood bank." would potentially be better. Bit tired of the "lots of black leather". I got enough BDSM Brujah with Tura Vaughn.
Teeth
Awww he's so leg-munchingly adorable!
The Hill
WOW.
AND cheap ??? This Hill will destroy stuff... regularly. Love the "child of Conan and Jeff Martin of The Tea Party Band" look...Tom Mercer
I'd change it to "Tom may recruit an ally or retainer from your ashheap that requires
or costing an additional blood or pool once per turn."Trevor
Solid. I'd play that vamp.
Tristan
Mariel Lady Thunder Mk2.
"When a minion you control is about to enter combat, you may tap Tristan to deal 2 damage to every minion and retainer in the combat." would be a better text. Still don't know if I'd be paying 7 pool for him though...
Varvara
Varavara gets Ponticulus and the Ankara Citadel... Holy crap YES! Awe for HALF PRICE???? GOLDEN!
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