Ideas for crypt Sabbat cards

They can hand the strength to ANY !Mak (read the text carefully) AND they're Non-Unique so you can have big swarms of them like the Hordes or the Mexico Circle. Make sure you take that into account when you look at the interaction between the two. I'd still advocate that any change should be

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

They can hand the strength to ANY !Mak (read the text carefully) AND they're Non-Unique so you can have big swarms of them like the Hordes or the Mexico Circle. Make sure you take that into account when you look at the interaction between the two.

I did. I still think there's better and cheaper ways to buff your strength.

I'd still advocate that any change should be

You could add , , , , and and he still wouldn't be significantly more powerful in function. What makes 10-caps worth playing are the great permanent abilities, not the disciplines.

Suoli wrote:

You could add , , , , and and he still wouldn't be significantly more powerful in function. What makes 10-caps worth playing are the great permanent abilities, not the disciplines.

I politely disagree with you, and i think, so do these 10-caps which i have seen regularly played for their disciplines and titles alone, and their text as a cornercase thing :

Angelica, The Canonicus
Ayelea, The Manipulator
Lucian
Nefertiti
Ulugh Beg, The Watcher
Lucinde Alastor
Madame Guil
Marcus Vitel,
Rachel Brandywine
Luca Italicus,
Melinda Galbraith
Servius Marius Pustula
Unmada
Alonso Petrodon

And i guess, a few others...

Pendargon wrote:

Suoli wrote:

You could add , , , , and and he still wouldn't be significantly more powerful in function. What makes 10-caps worth playing are the great permanent abilities, not the disciplines.

I politely disagree with you, and i think, so do these 10-caps which i have seen regularly played for their disciplines and titles alone, and their text as a cornercase thing :

Angelica, The Canonicus
Ayelea, The Manipulator
Lucian
Nefertiti
Ulugh Beg, The Watcher
Lucinde Alastor
Madame Guil
Marcus Vitel,
Rachel Brandywine
Luca Italicus,
Melinda Galbraith
Servius Marius Pustula
Unmada
Alonso Petrodon

And i guess, a few others...

Each of those vampires has title of at least 2 votes, most of them are princes or jusicars (hello 2nd tradition and parity shift). The whole point of where this argument started from is that the lord of madness as he is now with crap discplines, no title, no +bleed, and nothing terribly interesting to make up for those lacks, is a total wallpaper vampire. If you make him say a cardinal, he would already look much more interesting.

EDIT: Well, Nefertiti and Servius don't have titles, Nefertiti has DOM and +1 bleed though (and has quite a lot of friends with dominate in the group 2 setites also), Servius imo just sucks.

Pendargon wrote:

Suoli wrote:

You could add , , , , and and he still wouldn't be significantly more powerful in function. What makes 10-caps worth playing are the great permanent abilities, not the disciplines.

I politely disagree with you, and i think, so do these 10-caps which i have seen regularly played for their disciplines and titles alone, and their text as a cornercase thing :

I would include titles in the category of permanent abilities.

Rachel Brandywine

Being the only Malkavian with PRO, I agree that she is an exception to the rule.

Servius Marius Pustula
Unmada

This is besides the point but any kind of hand management tech on a crypt card is really, really powerful.