Lilith's Blessing : Propositions for a new text		
	
	
			
	
						05 Jun 2013 16:11		 -  05 Jun 2013 16:16		#49532
		by Sydnelson
	
	
		
			
					
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				Replied by Sydnelson on topic Re: Lilith's Blessing : Propositions for a new text			
			
				This is my suggestion to new Lilith’s text.
[img size=300]http://www.lackeyccg.com/vtes/vtesrio/Lilith's Blessing V2.jpg[/img]
In addition I want to request a revision to a PTO card. This is my suggestion to a new PTO.
[img size=300]http://www.lackeyccg.com/vtes/vtesrio/Protect Thine Own V2.jpg[/img]
I also have follow the instructions and send a email to Pascal with suggestions.
							[img size=300]http://www.lackeyccg.com/vtes/vtesrio/Lilith's Blessing V2.jpg[/img]
In addition I want to request a revision to a PTO card. This is my suggestion to a new PTO.
[img size=300]http://www.lackeyccg.com/vtes/vtesrio/Protect Thine Own V2.jpg[/img]
I also have follow the instructions and send a email to Pascal with suggestions.
Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson
LackeyCCG and OCTGN VtES Mantainer
Prince of Rio de Janeiro
Powerbase Rio de Janeiro
		Last edit: 05 Jun 2013 16:16  by Sydnelson.			
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						05 Jun 2013 16:39				#49533
		by kombainas
	
	
		
			
					
					
 
 
 
 
 Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.
				
					
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by kombainas on topic Re: Lilith's Blessing : Propositions for a new text			
			
				Even if it's once per game, imho it is still too strong in torpedoing star vampire decks. I'd suggest adding a delay, e.g. "burn this vampire during your next discard phase". This way the victim could Villein/Golconda/lunge one last time or bounce twice/go for suicide blocking, etc. This would incetivise the victim to interact with others or at least a chance to minimize the damage done (transering out another star would still take significant time, so PTO would still be powerful).			
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						05 Jun 2013 16:50				#49534
		by Ohlmann
	
	
		
			
	
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Lilith's Blessing : Propositions for a new text			
			
				I think PTO should be left where it is.
Banishment is enough.
					Banishment is enough.
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						05 Jun 2013 16:51				#49535
		by Ke.
	
	
		
			
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Ke. on topic Re: Lilith's Blessing : Propositions for a new text			
			
				Change it so you only gain 1 blood instead of 3.
Only 1 blood serverely increases the risk in terms of villein abuse vs 3.
It still rewards those that have suffered by preventing a hunt and gaining a skill card.
It doesn't become wall paper and would still be useful in decks, but it's unlikely to be so abused or an auto include.
Only one character is changed in terms of card text.
Ke
							
					Only 1 blood serverely increases the risk in terms of villein abuse vs 3.
It still rewards those that have suffered by preventing a hunt and gaining a skill card.
It doesn't become wall paper and would still be useful in decks, but it's unlikely to be so abused or an auto include.
Only one character is changed in terms of card text.
Ke
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						05 Jun 2013 16:55				#49536
		by ReverendRevolver
	
	
		
			
				
I agree, but i would add the stipulation of 8 cap or less for inner circle even, on the premise that most IC arent inherently capable of routing out someone as acient andxpowerful as lets say Petaniqua or Eknidu or even someone like the demdemeh. Politics should only go so far. Maybe: " if this vampire is an inner circle member, chose any non cam vampire with capacity less than 9, or any younger non cam vampire with a city title."
Wedge, i know theres benefit to not acting to hunt, but being tapped before you can act is incredibly limiting.
Sydnelson, i like the card a bit too much, it could be overpowered, but its hands down worth testing.
Maybe lb cold trigger afer a combat in which a vampire took 3 or more damage, or 2 or more agg? Rewarding suffering and whatnot, yiu know? Also, if we eant to be fluff nazis, she only taight caine the basic for pot cel obf and such, so tha nec and obt wouldnt be her thing
					
	
			
			 		
													
		
				Replied by ReverendRevolver on topic Re: Lilith's Blessing : Propositions for a new text			
			Even if it's once per game, imho it is still too strong in torpedoing star vampire decks. I'd suggest adding a delay, e.g. "burn this vampire during your next discard phase". This way the victim could Villein/Golconda/lunge one last time or bounce twice/go for suicide blocking, etc. This would incetivise the victim to interact with others or at least a chance to minimize the damage done (transering out another star would still take significant time, so PTO would still be powerful).
I agree, but i would add the stipulation of 8 cap or less for inner circle even, on the premise that most IC arent inherently capable of routing out someone as acient andxpowerful as lets say Petaniqua or Eknidu or even someone like the demdemeh. Politics should only go so far. Maybe: " if this vampire is an inner circle member, chose any non cam vampire with capacity less than 9, or any younger non cam vampire with a city title."
Wedge, i know theres benefit to not acting to hunt, but being tapped before you can act is incredibly limiting.
Sydnelson, i like the card a bit too much, it could be overpowered, but its hands down worth testing.
Maybe lb cold trigger afer a combat in which a vampire took 3 or more damage, or 2 or more agg? Rewarding suffering and whatnot, yiu know? Also, if we eant to be fluff nazis, she only taight caine the basic for pot cel obf and such, so tha nec and obt wouldnt be her thing
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						05 Jun 2013 17:22				#49537
		by Ohlmann
	
	
		
			
				
But what would be his purpose ? Replacing one of your banishment by something more powerful on every deck that have IC ? Making real sure that Camarilla have a superior vote version for every staple vote ?
					
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Lilith's Blessing : Propositions for a new text			
			I agree, but i would add the stipulation of 8 cap or less for inner circle even
But what would be his purpose ? Replacing one of your banishment by something more powerful on every deck that have IC ? Making real sure that Camarilla have a superior vote version for every staple vote ?
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