Catatonic Fear question

The way I'm interpreting CF, isn't that it's a "damage dealing strike with combat ends", but rather, that it's a combat ends strike with environmental damage that triggers when combat is over. ?

It's more like how Drawing out the beast works: During the press step you take 1 damage. You can't Dodge that, so it seems odd to me that you would be able to dodge damage occurring after combat is resolved.

Catatonic Fear
[Combat] Combat
Presence
[1 Blood]

 Strike: combat ends.

 As above, and inflict 1 damage to the opposing minion once combat ends if the range is close.

CalibanX wrote:

The way I'm interpreting CF, isn't that it's a "damage dealing strike with combat ends", but rather, that it's a combat ends strike with environmental damage that triggers when combat is over. ?

Its damage, and its on a card after the "strike:" part. So.......

There is most likely a better explaination, with LSJ citation even. But, its one of two examples in the current game where a strike ends combat THEN opponent takes damage. So, easy eay to see it is the strike card does two things, tells you when the secind happens, and rules say dodge dodges.

Envirnmental isnt a keyword in rules (should be, but before james hits me with a digital brick to the head, thats another conversation and i dont care that much) but is a term used for crows, blood of acid, and weather control style timings(b4 range, during strike res, after strike res, specifically) so timing is kinda still in combat (red card window) at that point, not after or before like burn a blood to block effects or cf stuff, so skin of night et al are playable in combat. Envirnmental is in combat though. Out of combat ie horseshoes is non combat. Just like talbotz xhainsaw hitting your minion, redcards wont matter. Dodging a strike, like flash grenade(maybe, no time to check) wjere a carx is placed on a minion after combat, is similar ish.

Edit: riposte and cf are the only examples i know of with damage done after ce. Oblouette has a similar effect, of burning blood or life after combat.
Effects like these can be dodged, as can things like inf bond with the mountain(i think thats the onexwhere you both untap for vis) or meld with the land at vic. In those examples, you dodge an effect, albeit one you may have wanted(unless you are anima gathering someone inportant and about got metagamed, i suppose) but you still dodge the beneficial untapping effect so it doesnt hit/effect you. Flash grenade is the same way, all those effects are dodgeable.
If you dodge wither, just like if you dodge morphean blow, the strike doesnt hit you and the card doesnt gi on you.

Sorry for thinking morphaen blow was something else earlier. End of edit.

Thanks for all the input. I think I got it now.

CalibanX wrote:

The way I'm interpreting CF, isn't that it's a "damage dealing strike with combat ends", but rather, that it's a combat ends strike with environmental damage that triggers when combat is over. ?

It's not environmental. Damage from strikes comes from the striking minion.

Thus Memories of Mortality (now banned, of course) reduces the damage done from a Catatonic Fear to an ally. [LSJ 19990723]

LSJ wrote:

> A vampire with Memories of Mortality engages in combat with an ally.
> For the vampires strike, he plays a superior catatonic fear.
>
> Does the ally take damage?

He takes zero damage. Memories of Mortality reduces damage done by the
vampire to allies to zero. Damage from a strike (even an odd one like
Catatonic Fear) is "done by" the striking minion [RTR 30-JUN-1997], so
would be reduced by Memories.

Similarly, Petra using a Catatonic Fear like strike would deal aggravated damage to a Baali: