Let's Talk Rapid Thought!

nc-italy wrote:

This seems definitively a very good option/solution,
althought it could also penalize big cap deck too much
(that is, with a total disallowance of pool regain a
weenie or mid cap bleed deck could crush a big cap one
very quickly)

The *format* penalizes big cap decks too much already. Most decks that do well in this format are:

A) Weenie sleaze bleed.

or

B ) Weenie sleaze rush. (For the love of punk rock. Can we turn off the part of the board where typing a B followed by a ) results in a "cool" smiley face with sunglasses? Please?)

And by "sleaze", I really mean "optimally suited for this environment, and totally the best idea if you want to do well".

Big cap decks that are sitting between a weenie rush deck and a weenie bleed deck isn't going to fair too well in any case.

(This being said, the deck that won the Origins RT tournament I ran a couple years back was a Jaroslav 2nd blocky/fighty deck. But it also didn't rely on pool gain. Just blocking and killing folks a lot.)

Pagan wrote:

Well it was nice until you called me Kevin. It's David, the Archbishop of Las Vegas.

KevinM wrote:

Ok Kushiel, just calm down about your friend Kevin, who **didn't even make the remark that you think he made**.

Yes, the rumors are true: I'm an idiot. I was thinking of David, and was picturing David's face while typing, but somehow managed to type "Kevin" anyway. Go me.

nc-italy wrote:

Actually i'm wondering by the remark already done at beginning of the topic:
having to be always in 3 multipliers number for such format can be somewhat
problematic, above all in the respect of considering it for an official tournament (which would be otherwise great, as i'd like a lot to have
new official tournament formats)
By that also my intention of testing it in 4 o 5 players table

Ah, okay. Well, if I were running the tournament, my solution to that issue would be to socially engineer the crowd such that we ended up with a playsize in a multiple of three, and one or two sad faces who didn't get to play because they didn't sign up quickly enough. But that's probably part of the reason that I don't run tournaments.

All of the items listed are pool gain. However, I will admit I forgot the Edge. I believe the Edge (no matter how it is attained, since one generally must have it during your Untap phase to benefit) and the Oust should be the only sources of pool gain. Even Vampire text such as Rabbat or Hartmut Stover should be disallowed.

I would argue that Govern the Unalighned, Enchant Kinfred and even Saulot's text still work, but one cannot transfer that pool back in order to bloat. There was some discussion not long ago about changing that rule in the regular rules (which I am STRONGLY against), but here is an excellent place to put that rule variant in place.

It seems to me a strong secondary point of Rapid Thought was to speed things up by preventing bloating. Why ban some bloating mechanisms and not others? I understand that this format will punish decks that rely on multiple large cap vampires in some cases, but not star-vampire decks. Besides, most large caps have ways to multi act or might be favored for some other reason. Which is better, three 5 caps or an 11 cap, a 3 cap and a 1 cap? Depends on the deck one is playing.

Regarding direct to pool cards:

How about something along the lines of: Any card that would give you pool give you 1 pool instead. Basically making all of those cards still playable (so you don't have to modify your decks much), but turning them into Ascendences. Specific wording I would leave to those who are better at that than I, like Floppy etc.

Yes, you could still gain 2 pool from Parity Shift/Voter Cap - but that's better than say 5 pool if played straight up.

Chris