On how I hate Rego Motus

Izaak wrote:

jhattara wrote:

Here's a Rego Motus example from a real live tornament. At that time I used to play my Hardestadt deck, some of you have probably seen it, where Hardestadt generally aims at hitting people for 8, sometimes for even more. Well... In this game I had my Hardestadt all set up with his little Greek island resort (Yiaros). Generally, if Hardestadt goes to combat with someone who doesn't fight back, the opponent will go to torpor. Period. Well... in this particular game my predator was playing some (!)Tremere, and I really wanted to torp some of his guys. Well, I found that with Rego Motus around this became almost impossible without Disarming them first. Pounded my head against his maneuvers and Rego Motuses for a while, before I was overwhelmed by them. The deck is a pretty dedicated non-card intensive combat deck.

The discussion aside, how does Rego Motus prevent you from being punched for 8? Assuming you're a dedicted combat deck and the Tremere guy isn't, then you should have more maneuvers because you (should) play Unflinching Persistance as part of your prevent and you (should) grapple so him can't flush his Thefts. So you smack him for 7, he prevents 4 you prevent 1 and he gets disarmed or just torped straight away.

If you're saying that your deck relies on rush - grapple - disarm then you're not a dedicated combat deck and thus get foiled by fairly common and easily available combat defense. Which means your deck is probably bad and would get totally trashed by a single .44. Or Animalism. Neither of which is uncommon by any standards.

If the above is not the case, that means that the tremere guy *is* a dedicated combat deck with like a 12 Maneuvers and 15 Thefts. In which case you're basically saying that your superstar Hardestadt rush deck, designed to make your prey miserable instead of getting VPs got overwhelmed by a swarm of smaller guys. Gosh, what a fucking surprise... that never happens right?

And this is Rego Motus´s fault exactly how?

Klaital wrote:

I have NEVER seen anyone play Flesh Bond. Crows + Bats is just so good short chain combat that I would rather play that over Flesh Bond in about any deck with ANI (including nos/!nos stealth vote). No Trace likewise I have only very rarely seen played, mainly because it requires superior obfuscate to be at all reliable, and unless your playing huge fatties, most likely at least half your guys have only basic in any deck that would want to use it, and if you have superior obfuscate, you might just as well use Swallowed by the Night instead.