On how I hate Rego Motus

Klaital wrote:

Both Protean and Thaumaturgy have sort of been 'bit of everything' type discplines from the start (...)

Considering the rest of your post I am not sure if this sentence is supposed to apply to card design (in the ccg) or the general masquerade lore.

Invoking lore-based arguments in card design discussions does not really make sense. I mean, if you design a card on a lore-based game of course you should be able to translate it in some way into lore stuff, but the opposite is not true. That it exists in the lore does not automatically make it ok as far as card design is concerned.

By the way I'm not a lore expert but wasn't the first level of protean "gleam of red eyes" a power that has been translated into the game from the start as press/maneuver ?

iirc the name for the same power in another edition was 'Eyes of the Beast' which was made to an intercept card. And really, being able to see in the dark sounds more like intercept than manuevers or presses to me. (From what I recall, IR Goggles and Sport Bike were originally going to have their effects other way around, which would make more sense also, but for whatever reason were swapped, probably because stackable intercept would have been more potentially unbalanced than stackable manuevers.)

Thats not the only case where same power from the rpg has multiple vastly different adaptations in the card game either. Most extreme example of this is that most of the Spiritus cards are different 'modes' of the Spiritus level 3 power, Aspect of the Beast (pretty much every spiritus card that has some animal in the name).

jhattara wrote:

Since it came legal Rego Motus has been used in almost half of the TWD Tremere/!Tremere decks.

What percentage of those decks used Mirror Walk? If we want to complain about ubiquity being a sign of lazy card design, I'm going to guess that MW is a much better contender for the complaint box.

Reyda wrote:

Another thing you should take in account is : you can safely think that you always have blood to pay for rego motus.

You can't, because you might not have a Theft, or your opponent might have no blood to steal, or you might be Grappled, etc. But it's illustrative that you claimed that you can think this way, while on the topic of lazy deckbuilding.

Kushiel wrote:

Reyda wrote:

Another thing you should take in account is : you can safely think that you always have blood to pay for rego motus.

You can't, because you might not have a Theft, or your opponent might have no blood to steal, or you might be Grappled, etc. But it's illustrative that you claimed that you can think this way, while on the topic of lazy deckbuilding.

Yes I can, because most of the time it's what happens. In games. Of Vtes.

I hope at some point you't going to think about the game globally instead of tossing another "you might be grappled" phony argument...

Forget it; I was probably being stupidly hostile. Ice cream sandwich, ahoy!