Tournament rules regarding different backs on cards.

bakija wrote:

Xaddam wrote:

You've replied to everything except for my conclusion, bakija.

That's 'cause John did a completely sufficient job of it in a previous post.

I don't know if Xaddam knows who I am, so just to clear up any confusion pre-emptively, bakija is referring to me here.

Kushiel wrote:

henrik wrote:

I discussed it with a friend and here we are.

I don't think that your discussion with your friend is really sufficient reason to make a change to a rule that's been working without any problem since the founding of the VEKN.

I've never said it was. The arguments would be the reason to change the rules. You asked for my reason to start this thread though, and I gave them.

henrik wrote:

I've never said it was. The arguments would be the reason to change the rules. You asked for my reason to start this thread though, and I gave them.

Okay. Care to answer the spirit of the question that I asked, which is, "What has changed in the nature of VTES cardbacks such that sleeves are now required when they haven't been in the history of the VEKN tournament rules, even though those rules were established well after cardbacks were a potential issue?"

I don't think cheating is so important in this discussion. Cheaters will find way with whatever. I just feel non sleeve decks with jyhad backs offers me automatically more information of my deck than sleeved does. This advantage is also available for every player and not necessary "cheating".

EDIT
This can be cultural thing also. I think almost everybody sleeves decks in Europe.

henrik wrote:

Can you post a decklist (with cards from both Jyhad and other sets)? And specify which cards are from what expansions.
I'd love to see some examples.

Probably not, simply because it would take more time to do this than I think it is worth.

The short version is--I try to avoid mixing Jyhad or 3rd Ed cards in decks that aren't generally about half of each; if I'm using Jyhad or 3rd Ed cards in a given deck, I will endeavor to have a significant number (about half, give or take) and a good mix of of Jyhad or 3rd Ed cards.

Kushiel wrote:

henrik wrote:

I've never said it was. The arguments would be the reason to change the rules. You asked for my reason to start this thread though, and I gave them.

Okay. Care to answer the spirit of the question that I asked, which is, "What has changed in the nature of VTES cardbacks such that sleeves are now required when they haven't been in the history of the VEKN tournament rules, even though those rules were established well after cardbacks were a potential issue?"

I really didn't get your question. There's been no real change the last few years I suppose. Or, the Inner Circle of VEKN has changed a bit I think. I just don't get how that matters. I'm putting forward a problem and a proposed change (actually I didn't even do that in the OP, I just asked a couple of questions).

Cards from different expansions have easily distinguished backs, but yet it's allowed to play with them without using opaque sleeves. I think is a problem.