file What is missing from VtES?

03 Jun 2017 21:04 - 03 Jun 2017 21:05 #82102 by Lönkka
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First Strike is confusing because Strike: Combat Ends resolves before it.

Indeed... and a dodge still cancels the effects of a strike done with first strike.

I sort of understand why someone using Majesty etc could escape the First Strike with Combat End, but any old slowpoke using Dodge is able to thwart someone who is quicker than a speeding bullet!? :/

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03 Jun 2017 22:06 #82104 by TwoRazorReign
Below is how first strike works in Magic: The Gathering:

"This creature deals combat damage before creatures without first strike"

My theory is the confusion stems from this definition of first strike. Most people learned to play Magic before V:TES. First strike not actually being "first" doesn't sit well with some people because of this preconceived notion of first strike. First strike should be called something else in V:TES.

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04 Jun 2017 07:48 #82105 by Ankha
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First strike should be called something else in V:TES.

Sure, something like "Fast strike" or "Quick strike"

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06 Jun 2017 11:14 #82120 by Lönkka
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I'm "confused" about it and I certainly am missing theMtG baggage...

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06 Jun 2017 13:51 #82125 by self biased
because the same term in two different games obviously should work the same way?

I mean, I don't get it either.

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06 Jun 2017 15:06 #82126 by TwoRazorReign

because the same term in two different games obviously should work the same way?

I mean, I don't get it either.


Who's arguing that they should work the same way? I'm arguing that calling it "first strike" makes sense in MtG (because it is first) but doesn't make sense in VTES (because it is not first). So call it something else.

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